Holyfield - is he a champ in mainstream history?

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  • !! Anorak
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    Holyfield - is he a champ in mainstream history?

    Before I start, I've got a lot of respect for Holyfield. He's arguably a finer fighter than either of the two guys that overshadowed him in the 80s and 90s, but the fact is they DID overshadow him. Not only that, but it's far easier to get a title (four-times heavy champ) when the belts are so fragmented, so his achievements can't be compared with, say, Ali winning the belt three times when there were just two major sanctioning bodies.


    Anyway, my point is this: although Holyfield beat Tyson, for the man on the street Tyson was, and is, the most recognisable heavyweight of the post-Ali era. For the mid 90s to early 00s it was Lewis, albeit to a far lesser extent in terms of recognition. ("America was in denial" - George Foreman).

    So my point (I'm getting there)... is this.

    There were heavyweights that were legitimate champions and were well respected, but weren't regarded as being defining champions of their era. Whether this is due to longevity, competition, or being overshadowed, maybe all three.

    Take Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott. Both very respected champions, running for over three years between the pair of them. But in terms of public imagination (and bear in mind I'm talking Joe Public in this thread, not more studied boxing fans) they were both something of a bridge between Joe Louis's near 12-year reign and Rocky Marciano's comparatively short yet record-breaking stay at the top before retirement.

    Again, it followed the same pattern - Ingemar Johansson and Floyd Patterson are respected boxers, but in terms of who was THE heavyweight champion of the world the last half-century has basically been thus:

    Sonny Liston (maybe)
    Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali
    Larry Holmes
    Mike Tyson
    Lennox Lewis.


    Agree/disagree? And which - if any - of today's heavies could define themselves in such a manner? I think if Klitschko could get himself brutally laying out at least three opponents per year he could be the sort of guy that history would enhance...
  • Tha Greatest
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    The thing about Holyfield is..

    He always beat the lineal champion..

    Whenever he was the champ, it was because he beat the best fighter at the day. So even if there was one belt, he still would've become 4 time champion.

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    • !! Anorak
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      Originally posted by Tha_Greatest
      The thing about Holyfield is..

      He always beat the lineal champion..

      Whenever he was the champ, it was because he beat the best fighter at the day. So even if there was one belt, he still would've become 4 time champion.
      That's a point, although Lewis (when Holy was admittedly old) smudges that issue a little.

      That's another one - Rid**** Bowe.

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      • Easy-E
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        #4
        he beat iron mike though, and people thought he was the best fighter of his day, he was expected to dispose of evander early.
        evander ended tysons legitimate shot at a comeback

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        • TheEvilSaint
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          #5
          the typical person only knows 5 HW champions: Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Joe Louis, George Foreman, and Evander Holyfield.

          yes, hes a mainstream champion.

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            #6
            what about rocky???
            he is the only undefeated champ in history, everybody knows about rocky, and the reason ppl know about evander is because it was only a short while ago, rockys legacy still intact afer half a century

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            • TheEvilSaint
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              Originally posted by PBF34
              what about rocky???
              he is the only undefeated champ in history, everybody knows about rocky, and the reason ppl know about evander is because it was only a short while ago, rockys legacy still intact afer half a century
              if you walk up to somebody and say "rocky marciano" they will say "who?". u walk up to some1 and say "evander holyfield" they will say "where?".

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              • !! Anorak
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                Originally posted by TheEvilSaint
                if you walk up to somebody and say "rocky marciano" they will say "who?". u walk up to some1 and say "evander holyfield" they will say "where?".
                I disagree with that statement, maybe it depends on location.

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