An overlooked comparison regarding Floyd, Pacman and Martinez.

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  • Bushbaby
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    An overlooked comparison regarding Floyd, Pacman and Martinez.

    How is it that Floyd & Pacman are allowed to fight Marquez at welterweight, 2 weight classes above anywhere he has been competitive & have it be ok?

    But Martinez calling them out at 154 where all 3 were champs is picking on smaller men?

    Has anyone else realized this obvious double standard,(except for Floyd & Packy being worse), due to the fact that Marquez has never fought above 135 before he tangled with Floyd? But yet Martinez is overrated & Floyd & Packy are sooo great.
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    #2
    Originally posted by Bushbaby
    How is it that Floyd & Pacman are allowed to fight Marquez at welterweight, 2 weight classes above anywhere he has been competitive & have it be ok?

    But Martinez calling them out at 154 where all 3 were champs is picking on smaller men?

    Has anyone else realized this obvious double standard,(except for Floyd & Packy being worse), due to the fact that Marquez has never fought above 135 before he tangled with Floyd? But yet Martinez is overrated & Floyd & Packy are sooo great.
    Floyd and Manny didn't call out marquez at 147. You don't challenge down you challenge up. Sergio given his age and desire to make money gets a pass from me but it's not really a good look for the MW champion to challenge the WW champion.

    Floyd and Manny will not get much credit for beating MArquez at 146 and 144, yet Sergio would get slurped and big credit for beating either at 154 or 150. Thats the equivalent of the double standard in your post.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Big Dunn
      Floyd and Manny didn't call out marquez at 147. You don't challenge down you challenge up. Sergio given his age and desire to make money gets a pass from me but it's not really a good look for the MW champion to challenge the WW champion.

      Floyd and Manny will not get much credit for beating MArquez at 146 and 144, yet Sergio would get slurped and big credit for beating either at 154 or 150. Thats the equivalent of the double standard in your post.
      This...

      As far as I am concern, if you are the one challenging, you have to compromise on the demands of the other fighter. Especially if you want a big money fight.. He doesn't have any leverage to stand on...

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        Originally posted by Big Dunn
        Floyd and Manny didn't call out marquez at 147. You don't challenge down you challenge up. Sergio given his age and desire to make money gets a pass from me but it's not really a good look for the MW champion to challenge the WW champion.

        Floyd and Manny will not get much credit for beating MArquez at 146 and 144, yet Sergio would get slurped and big credit for beating either at 154 or 150. Thats the equivalent of the double standard in your post.
        I don't know how much credit Martinez would get but....................! How is a former jrmiddleweight champ, calling out 2 former jrmiddleweight champs for a jr middleweight showdown the equivalent of Paman Floyd vs a lightweight Marquez again?? Or do you mean simply credit wise? Because i don't see how it's equal in any other way.

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          sergio started at welter, whereas pac and floyd started much lower. and it's normal for boxers to go up in weight and not down. so what sergio is doing now is a bit weird, planning to move down and calling out the smaller guys.
          marquez also moved up like you said. so why sergio can't do that? i don't remember marquez going down to fight someone.
          even if you take this ridiculousness to the side, i think floyd-martinez at 154 would be a career defining fight for sure (for both). definitely a better win than cotto and margarito combined.

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            #6
            Originally posted by mikemurni
            This...

            As far as I am concern, if you are the one challenging, you have to compromise on the demands of the other fighter. Especially if you want a big money fight.. He doesn't have any leverage to stand on...
            Ohh gotya it's ok for Floyd & Pacman because Marquez challenged them? So I guess we'll debunk that by bringup the fact that the champion Cotto had to agree to the challengers Pacman's catchweight then.

            Leverage to stand on, who deserves the fight? Hmmm sounds suspect to me. We can run through all of pacman's last three fight & break down why none of his opponents deserved to fight him. Also Cotto being welterweight champion was no leverage for him to stand on.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Bushbaby
              How is it that Floyd & Pacman are allowed to fight Marquez at welterweight, 2 weight classes above anywhere he has been competitive & have it be ok?

              But Martinez calling them out at 154 where all 3 were champs is picking on smaller men?

              Has anyone else realized this obvious double standard,(except for Floyd & Packy being worse), due to the fact that Marquez has never fought above 135 before he tangled with Floyd? But yet Martinez is overrated & Floyd & Packy are sooo great.
              "The Mission?Simple.Speak the truth & be a part of bringing a change to boxing."

              the truth, Martinez is chasing a money fight. it will not bring change to boxing.

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                Originally posted by Bushbaby
                Ohh gotya it's ok for Floyd & Pacman because Marquez challenged them? So I guess we'll debunk that by bringup the fact that the champion Cotto had to agree to the challengers Pacman's catchweight then.

                Leverage to stand on, who deserves the fight? Hmmm sounds suspect to me. We can run through all of pacman's last three fight & break down why none of his opponents deserved to fight him. Also Cotto being welterweight champion was no leverage for him to stand on.
                Sure, But it was Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito who challenged Pac. Not the other way around..So in the sense, it was them who had to give in to the terms from Pac..

                Its the same thing when both Pac and Floyd fought Dela Hoya for their first big money fight. They had to agree on Oscar's weight, purse, etc.. Because neither of whom had the leverage to dictate terms on Oscar..

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                  marquez called them out.

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                  • Bushbaby
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                    Originally posted by mikemurni
                    Sure, But it was Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito who challenged Pac. Not the other way around..So in the sense, it was them who had to give in to the terms from Pac..

                    Its the same thing when both Pac and Floyd fought Dela Hoya for their first big money fight. They had to agree on Oscar's weight, purse, etc.. Because neither of whom had the leverage to dictate terms on Oscar..
                    The bold is complete, utter unforgivable lies, fact.

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