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  • Brassangel
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    Protect Yourself At All Times...

    This is the argument being spouted by Floyd Mayweather's most staunch defenders. While I have nothing against Floyd Mayweather, his fans need to shut up. If the man, himself, wouldn't have said this, you wouldn't be saying this. You didn't think of it on your own, and you are embarrassing to listen to when you say it.

    That said, on to the horse that's been dead for almost a week now.

    Let me start off by saying that Mayweather was winning the fight. No questions asked, he was ahead 3 rounds to 0 entering the 4th. He was at the sharpest I've seen him in years. It was truly impressive. He was also going to win this fight. I don't dispute that at all, but Ortiz was definitely doing more in the 4th round, prior to the illegal headbutt, and managed to land with some aggressive flurries. Were they bothering Floyd? Probably not. But he (Ortiz) may have escaped with that round had he not committed the foul.

    Speaking of which: it was a foul. No disputes. What Ortiz did was dirty, and completely unnecessary given that he was probably winning that round if he maintains the pace.

    The big controversy has, of course, surrounded Mayweather and the knockout punch(es). He used the phrase, "Protect yourself at all times," when asked if his actions were unsportsmanlike. While it's a clever quip, and is certainly a part of the game, consider how he approached the knockout:

    We keep hearing how Ortiz made the "rookie mistake" of seeking to offer further apology to Mayweather after Referee Cortez signaled the time keeper to resume. Whether or not Ortiz saw the signal is another matter entirely, and really not as relevant. What we do see is that Mayweather didn't obey the signal either...

    Cortez signals the go ahead, and Mayweather approaches Ortiz with his own gloves down. Seeing his humbled and remorseful opponent offering a sincere apology for playing dirty, does Floyd resume fighting? Does Floyd signal that he's ready to go? Does Floyd display any body language to suggest that he's aware the fight is continuing? No! He's completely aware that Ortiz hasn't heard the signal to resume, however. He opens his arms, nods his head, and acknowledges the Bro Hug. He moves in with a casual hug, knowing that this will disarm Ortiz, and then sucker punches him on the break.

    Watch his mouth, and his body language. He uses the remorse of his opponent against him, intentionally, and without shame. Floyd is a consummate professional, in most aspects, but this was far dirtier than the crime that set this up. For one, it's not in his authority to right a wrong; that's the job of the officials and the Commission. Second, two wrongs don't make a right, and he completely took advantage of the chaotic situation to "payback" his opponent for the headbutt.

    Again, Floyd Mayweather was going to win, and probably all but maybe a round or two. It was likely going to be a knockout anyway. The real losers here are the fans, as the fight was finally becoming interesting prior to Ortiz's imitation of an Irish rugby player. It could have become a war, or it could have been a beautiful display of Mayweather's ability and tactical dissemination. Either way, it would have been more than 3 rounds of dominance, one cheap shot, two cheap shots, over.

    The only reason I bring this up is because I keep reading and hearing about the miscommunication, as well as whether or not Ortiz made a rookie mistake by offering an apology. No one is mentioning that Floyd Mayweather clearly, and purposefully used his opponent's own genuine remorse to render him defenseless just so he could land free punches. It doesn't matter if it was technically legal, because Cortez himself can't make up his mind as to whether he officially signaled the go ahead or not, and clearly both fighters were confused. What we do know is, Mayweather had no intentions of resuming the fight, as normal, nor was he going to let Ortiz think like a fighter in that moment. As bad as the foul was on the part of Ortiz, it pales in comparison to the shameless cowardice offered by Mr. Money. At least Ortiz felt bad about what he did. Mayweather has tried to use an official's warning to defend his actions, knowing full well that he duped and took advantage of his opponent.

    That said, I wanted to see Mayweather win (legitimately), because every time he and Pacquiao win, it makes the build up that much greater. I want to see them both at their very best if and when they finally clash. Mayweather's impenetrable defense against Pacquiao's relentless offense.

    NOTE: I am not a "*****" or "*******." I root for boxing. Those big, colorful foam and leather mittens? That's what I want to see. This fight was just getting interesting, even if it would have been short-lived, but both guys spoiled it for us. While it sounds as if I'm all over Mayweather, it's because he was the attraction here; he's one of the major faces of the sport. He could have handled it like a champion, reset, and won the way he always does. Instead, he elected to pretend to accept an apology, and then used the hug to set up punches.
    Last edited by Brassangel; 09-23-2011, 04:02 PM.
  • x3_bazooka_x3
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    This is the offical rules regarding the referees code of conduct and these are federal rules I have been havin a nice discussion with the executive director of the ABC this morning regarding this.....




    POINT DEDUCTION MECHANICS

    1. Secure a safe distance and assume a centered position to the boxers.

    2. Command “Time!”

    Assure that the boxers are completely apart.
    3. Usher the offended boxer to a neutral corner.

    4. Stand in front of the offending boxer, without turning your back on the other boxer, and advise him or her

    of the foul. Assure that the offending boxer understood the admonishment.


    5. Notify the Judges of the point deduction and type of foul.

    6. Again caution the boxer for the infraction.

    7. Call time back in.

    8. Have boxing resume immediately.

    NOTE: You may call the Ringside Physician to examine the boxer or for consultation, but do so only when

    absolutely necessary.

    If the round goes to its natural conclusion, check with the Judges to assure that they deducted the point(s)

    as you instructed when you pick up the scorecards.

    DRESSING ROOM – KEY ISSUES TO EXAMINE AND DISCUSS



    2. Verbal Commands and Hand Signals

    A strong sense of proper movement and positioning, verbal commands and hand signals, separate great

    Referees from the average ones. Establish your commands and signals in the Dressing Room.

    Go over breaking or separating the boxers, specific commands of the major fouls, etc.

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    • rajul
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      #3
      who cares .ortiz is a bum. he shouldnt have been fighting anyway

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      • Brassangel
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        @rajul: Great, you are worthless. Thanks for nothing.

        @bazooka: I understand the rules, so I'm not sure as to the relevancy of your post. Unless, of course, you are suggesting that Cortez poorly officiated the event - a point in which I would fully agree. They were never in opposite corners before the signal, no warnings or displays to resume fighting were issues, and Mayweather faked a return hug to let down the guard of his opponent.

        All of these actions were in violation of the rules you've posted there.

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        • Delusional
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          Floyd is a piece a sh¡t, he's a midget that's scared of fighting Pacquiao. For someone who claims being the p4p no 1 its was really cheap.

          Also
          He lost 2 to Castillo.

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          • Weebler I
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            #6
            Originally posted by Brassangel
            That said, I wanted to see Mayweather win (legitimately), because every time he and Pacquiao win, it makes the build up that much greater. I want to see them both at their very best if and when they finally clash. Mayweather's impenetrable defense against Pacquiao's relentless offense.
            I think that window has already passed. I'm willing to bet both are now past their prime. Besides, the fight isn't going to happen.

            Instead, he elected to pretend to accept an apology, and then used the hug to set up punches.
            Yeah amongst other things the deception prior to the cheap shots pointed to a nasty character at his core and people aren't cool with that. I genuinely didn't think Mayweather was the type of guy to do it, I thought he was better than that.
            Last edited by Weebler I; 09-25-2011, 11:31 AM.

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            • ALG United
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              #7
              Originally posted by Brassangel
              @rajul: Great, you are worthless. Thanks for nothing.

              @bazooka: I understand the rules, so I'm not sure as to the relevancy of your post. Unless, of course, you are suggesting that Cortez poorly officiated the event - a point in which I would fully agree. They were never in opposite corners before the signal, no warnings or displays to resume fighting were issues, and Mayweather faked a return hug to let down the guard of his opponent.

              All of these actions were in violation of the rules you've posted there.
              Cortez should have been in the middle of the two boxers, seperate them physically after the excessive man-hugs, and then make the proper/clearer signal to resume fight. Floyd was always known to commit such cheap shots before, but it never got out of hand unlike with Ortiz, it was more of Cortez just being sloppy with his job.....

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              • x3_bazooka_x3
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                Originally posted by Brassangel
                @rajul: Great, you are worthless. Thanks for nothing.

                @bazooka: I understand the rules, so I'm not sure as to the relevancy of your post. Unless, of course, you are suggesting that Cortez poorly officiated the event - a point in which I would fully agree. They were never in opposite corners before the signal, no warnings or displays to resume fighting were issues, and Mayweather faked a return hug to let down the guard of his opponent.

                All of these actions were in violation of the rules you've posted there.
                Thats what I am saying all of the actions well the entire thing that happend is in vilation of those rules that I posted. and what ****s me up is that HBO has since edited the actual footage on their rebroadcast the powers that be will sweep this **** under the rug.

                For a man who claims to be the greatest fighter that ever lived, he has sure proven that in ducking Pacquiao only to fight Ortiz call him a quitter question his heart and then close the show by two cheap illegal shots assisted by Ref Joe Cortez.

                Whos mother also passed away that same night.... so tell me was the man even fit to be in the ring knowing his mother was ready to go? Or was that God telling joe something in response to his actions in the ring that night?

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                • John Barron
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ALG United
                  Cortez should have been in the middle of the two boxers, seperate them physically after the excessive man-hugs, and then make the proper/clearer signal to resume fight. Floyd was always known to commit such cheap shots before, but it never got out of hand unlike with Ortiz, it was more of Cortez just being sloppy with his job.....
                  dumbest post i've read in a week about this topic.

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                  • Gino Ros
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Brassangel
                    This is the argument being spouted by Floyd Mayweather's most staunch defenders. While I have nothing against Floyd Mayweather, his fans need to shut up. If the man, himself, wouldn't have said this, you wouldn't be saying this. You didn't think of it on your own, and you are embarrassing to listen to when you say it.
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                    You sound like a pusssy. Stop whining and accept the facts.

                    EVERYBODY - media, boxers, trainers, etc all said the same thing.

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