Joe Cortez Was Lenient/Merciful. Ortiz is Lucky!

[DrewWoodside]

Can't do it, I love your thread!

In fact, you should throw a poll on this thread and see if NSB feels Joe Cortez was gracious and merciful. I'm sure we'll enjoy the results!

[BoxingGenius27]

In fact, you should throw a poll on this thread and see if NSB feels Joe Cortez was gracious and merciful. I'm sure we'll enjoy the results!

Considering the fact that NSB is filled with hate threads against Mayweather, it's clear as day who the majority is on NSB. It's sad, but no video evidence or logic will ever change that. "That" meaning blind, unlogical, uncircumstantial hate towards Mayweather.

And you know exactly what I'm talking about.

[DrewWoodside]

Considering the fact that NSB is filled with hate threads against Mayweather, it's clear as day who the majority is on NSB. It's sad, but no video evidence or logic will ever change that. "That" meaning blind, unlogical, uncircumstantial hate towards Mayweather.

And you know exactly what I'm talking about.

You know there's actually a large amount of blind support in favor of Mayweather as well. Many would argue there's even some in this very thread!

[BoxingGenius27]

You know there's actually a large amount of blind support in favor of Mayweather as well. Many would argue there's even some in this very thread!

Haha if you think NSB has a balanced/unbiased attack against Mayweather no matter what, then you're obviously blind.

Let me put it in black and white for you. Copy and paste this URL in your browser and look around for my factual claim http://www.boxing scene.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3

[Grimmer]

That headbutt was like something from Fight Night and if Cortez had called a DQ I don't think too many people could really have disagreed with the decision because it was so blatant and malicious. Even though people would have been píssed off at the fight ending in the DQ they couldn't really argue against it. It wasn't even a subtle or tactical headbutt on the inside (Hopkins, Bradley style), Ortiz just full on lunged his head forward trying to catch Mayweather square on.

[DrewWoodside]

Haha if you think NSB has a balanced/unbiased attack against Mayweather no matter what, then you're obviously blind.

Let me put it in black and white for you. Copy and paste this URL in your browser and look around for my factual claim http://www.boxing scene.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3

Cortez was incompetent, not gracious. And the sad thing is everyone knew this would be the case the moment he was assigned to the fight. The idea that you are attempting in some way to champion Joe Cortez for his job, illustrates just how out of touch you really are. You seem to genuinely like boxing, but threads like this(and I'm attempting to put this nicely) are low on the todem pole.

I was rooting for Mayweather and had placed money on him to win by knockout. However, I can't see how anyone has anything particularly positive to say about this fight. Other than the controversy and thought provoking manner in which it ended might result in casual fans gaining some interest.

[BoxingGenius27]

Cortez was incompetent, not gracious. And the sad thing is everyone knew this would be the case the moment he was assigned to the fight. The idea that you are attempting in some way to champion Joe Cortez for his job, illustrates just how out of touch you really are. You seem to genuinely like boxing, but threads like this(and I'm attempting to put this nicely) are low on the todem pole.

I was rooting for Mayweather and had placed money on him to win by knockout. However, I can't see how anyone has anything particularly positive to say about this fight. Other than the controversy and thought provoking manner in which it ended might result in casual fans gaining some interest.

Here's what you don't understand. People thought Cortez wasn't adequate for the Mayweather-Ortiz fight because many fans felt Cortez would allow Mayweather to use his "illegal" elbow. Without checking NSAC regulations, many fans failed to see that in fact, Mayweather uses his elbow "legally" unless he's striking/hitting with the elbow. This was the original claim against Cortez. The fact that the claim was actually ignorance on the fans part, shouldn't count as a doc towards Cortez.

Now, regarding Saturday night, Cortez gave Ortiz numerous warnings before taking a point away. You're acting like Ortiz didn't headbutt Mayweather numerous times before the blatant injury inflicting straw that broke the camel's back. Come on man, are you seriously going to try to debate with me what's on video?

[DrewWoodside]

Here's what you don't understand. People thought Cortez wasn't adequate for the Mayweather-Ortiz fight because many fans felt Cortez would allow Mayweather to use his "illigal" elbow. Without checking NSAC regulations, many fans failed to see that in fact, Mayweather uses his elbow "legally" unless he's striking/hitting with the elbow. This was the original claim against Cortez. The fact that the claim was actually ignorance on the fans part, shouldn't count as a doc towards Cortez.

Now, regarding Saturday night, Cortez gave Ortiz numerous warning before taking a point away. You're acting like Ortiz didn't headbutt Mayweather numerous times before the blatant injury inflicting straw that broke the camel's back. Come on man, are you seriously going to try to debate with me what's on video?

Still reading your post, but in response to this. That is not the reason myself and most knowledgeable fans were at odds with his selection. It is widely understood that Cortez goes out of his way to interject himself TOO often. Not simply on his handling of any single aspect of fighting. For me, his worst officiating job was the Huberto Soto fight. However, that is only one of many fights.

Personally I had zero issues with the Hatton fight, although as in all fights. He inserts himself into the fight in too controversial a manner. He used to get jobs done without a hitch, but in the last few years something has changed. I'm not sure if it's due to age, but w/e it is it isn't good.

[DrewWoodside]

Here's what you don't understand. People thought Cortez wasn't adequate for the Mayweather-Ortiz fight because many fans felt Cortez would allow Mayweather to use his "illegal" elbow. Without checking NSAC regulations, many fans failed to see that in fact, Mayweather uses his elbow "legally" unless he's striking/hitting with the elbow. This was the original claim against Cortez. The fact that the claim was actually ignorance on the fans part, shouldn't count as a doc towards Cortez.

Now, regarding Saturday night, Cortez gave Ortiz numerous warnings before taking a point away. You're acting like Ortiz didn't headbutt Mayweather numerous times before the blatant injury inflicting straw that broke the camel's back. Come on man, are you seriously going to try to debate with me what's on video?

The order of things is 1.) warnings(sometimes several), 2.) points deducted(sometimes several), and finally 3.) disqualification. Rarely is this order interrupted. So no, I do not think Cortez went above and beyond in terms of graciousness. Furthermore, considering the messy way he handled the actual deductions and bringing the fighters back to scratch.. I think the last thing Cortez has earned is any sort of praise. IMO

[BoxingGenius27]

Still reading your post, but in response to this. That is not the reason myself and most knowledgeable fans were at odds with his selection. It is widely understood that Cortez goes out of his way to interject himself TOO often. Not simply on his handling of any single aspect of fighting. For me, his worst officiating job was the Huberto Soto fight. However, that is only one of many fights.

Personally I had zero issues with the Hatton fight, although as in all fights. He inserts himself into the fight in too controversial a manner. He used to get jobs done without a hitch, but in the last few years something has changed. I'm not sure if it's due to age, but w/e it is it isn't good.

I'll give you the Soto fight. I thought Cortez completely BLEW that fight. I give you that. But Cortez has been around for 30+ years and he's been solid.

Regarding Cortez allowing inside fighting, I think you're referring to the Mayweather-Hatton fight. Leading up to the fight, it was widely publisized that Hatton likes to "wrestle" and not "box" on the inside. If you want, I can post a few videos showing the difference between fighting in the box and wrestling. For starters, Mayweather vs Chavez is fighting in the box. There are numerous fights online that prove Hatton likes to straight up wrestle.

This is why, Cortez took the approach he took during the Mayweather-Hatton fight. Don't be fooled my Merchant's commentating. Again, there's a huge difference between fighting in the box and wrestling.

NOTE: I love Ricky Hatton and have tons of respect for his courage and dedication to the sport. In no way was my post a knock towards Hatton.