What Did Last Night Tell Us About a Pac Fight? Floyd Beats Pac

[davidoff]

(Note: I'm discussing points which came to light after last night, not a Floyd/Pac comparison in general- that's been done to death on these forums)

A 144/145 Pac on fight night, with a huge reach disadvantage, will struggle all night.

There's the obvious:

Ortiz weighed almost 15lbs more and has the power to back it up, but even after Floyd's lay off he wasn't intimidated.

When Floyd began working the jab Ortiz noticed. It's still lightning quick. Cotto and particularly JMM made inroads with theirs. Floyd will dominate with his.


But what impressed me most:

When Ortiz tried to lean, Floyd did everything; rolled, blocked, countered, even leaned forward to resist. He still hasn't lost his natural muscle strength. When Pac tries his best to get on the inside and eventually does, Floyd can outwork him, but I think he'll be happier to lean and smother and make him feel it.

I would want Pac to win, but before and after last night, I can't see how it happens. Not at all.

[joesaiditstrue]

except for Pacquiao isn't an in-fighter, meaning he doesn't stand toe to toe with bigger guys and try to lean in and rest while throwing shots to the body, that's not how he fights, he's an ambush fighter

floyd can fight inside, he can fight outside, he can be aggressive, he can counterpunch, he can fight literally any style, pacquiao is pretty much one-style and when he's forced to switch it up he doesn't look nearly as dominant

[tudedude]

I don't know. The fight didn't last long enough for me to gauge anything...well except that pac's wuzzy gamemenship leaves him vulnerable to the mayweather one-two sucker punch.

[davidoff]

Yes, sorry to clarify- he won't have success on the outside. And when he does get in on the inside, he will have no options over Floyd.

[sauld420]

Ive said this for a long time, the only guy with the ability to beat Floyd Mayweather is Paul Williams. Not the skills mind you, just the ability. Floyd will NEVER lose to a guy his size. Unless the guy he is fighting has a significant height, reach advantage AND similar skill level, Floyd will win because his mental game is so so strong.

[2501]

Floyd's right hand would find Pacquiao every time he'd be in range. What we would see is the Pacquaio that was tentative against Marquez when Marquez was in rhythm.

[leppard365]

i see it as the opposite.

floyd left himself open too much and got hit a few times by ortiz. he was also punching thin air which is something we dont see from floyd. pacman would totally capitalise on this and is quicker/stronger than any opponent floyds faced.

one things for certain. this fight NEEDS to happen.

[2501]

Ive said this for a long time, the only guy with the ability to beat Floyd Mayweather is Paul Williams. Not the skills mind you, just the ability. Floyd will NEVER lose to a guy his size. Unless the guy he is fighting has a significant height, reach advantage AND similar skill level, Floyd will win because his mental game is so so strong.

No, the only guy with the ability to beat Mayweather is Sergio Martinez. Floyd's punches wouldn't have the same effect they have on the WW's Floyd has fought. Martinez isn't a ****** fighter. He's smart enough to adapt and fast enough to jab at Floyd. IF we ever saw this match up, Floyd would be a straight up counterpuncher. We would not see him trying to walk Martinez fight. But this will never happen anyway.

[joesaiditstrue]

i see it as the opposite.

floyd left himself open too much and got hit a few times by ortiz. he was also punching thin air which is something we dont see from floyd. pacman would totally capitalise on this and is quicker/stronger than any opponent floyds faced.

one things for certain. this fight NEEDS to happen.

floyd did leave himself open a lot, but when you say he got hit a "few" times, that's right.. in fact according to compubox, Ortiz landed ~6 punches per round over 4 rounds.

was floyd open because he didn't respect Ortiz, or are you saying Floyd's defense all of the sudden started to be less effective?

also, you mentioned Floyd missing, I noticed that as well but only in the first round, he cleaned it up in rounds 2-4, especially 4... he was dominant in 4.

[Ryannn]

everytime floyd or pac fights, there comes an argument why x beats y.

bottom line, both have the ability to give each other problems and should be around 50-50 or the slightest advantage to floyd.

him beating ortiz in that cheap manner haven't convinced me otherwise