Comments Thread For: Floyd Mayweather: Top Rank Protected Cotto From Me

[Cash Cow]

Bruceles being a wram up fight for cotto is bascally a known fact amongst real hardcore boxing fans in the meantime cotto was getting wobbled around the ring by c level opponents and arum quickly became very cautious of *****g his rising star in the ring with pbf. Kostya tsyzu is another fighter pbf was calling out and gunning for but the loss to hatton blew that one up in smoke.

Real boxing fans remember all this despite the revisionist history

*******s =

[DAN916]

and dont forget about the I cant fight Cotto "because he lives in Puerto Rico" statement!

[Mr. Fantastic]

hey, ****sucker.
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of course all hardcore fans want to see floyd/cotto, but it ain't happening until cotto breaks into the bigger market of casual boxing fans.
What Cotto needs to do is start demolishing every welterweight out there to get the attention he wants. Cotto needed to destroy Mosley, but he ran in the last couple of rounds and got the decision... I think ultimately that hurt Cotto's box office appeal (not his appeal with Puerto Ricans though).

Cotto needs to destroy Margarito, and if he can't get a fight with Floyd he needs to destroy Williams, Clottey, and any other contenders at 147 and if he still can't get floyd he needs to start destroying 154 lbers.

That said, I don't think Cotto will destroy Margarito, but clearly outbox and outpoint Margarito. I'd be surprised if Cotto went toe to toe with Margarito, and if he did that's probably 2-4 years off Cotto's shelf life.

But Cotto needs some Vasquez/Marquez type epic wars to elevate his name among casual fans.
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cotto and/or margartito have to really impress in the ring and in the TV ratings if either plans on fighting floyd.
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let floyd enjoy his celebrity... cotto/floyd will happen 2009 after cotto beats delahoya
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Cotto can't beat Floyd... he ran away from Mosley and if that fight was in Vegas Mosley would've won.

LMAO!! That's a pretty good ownage right there.

[switchsouthpaw]

So the best fighting the best isn't in the best interest of boxing? Jesus, I have a hard time deciphering between fans who like to think of themselves as promoters, when they probably couldn't even run a lemonade stand. Build up his casual boxing base? Gimme a ****ing break, be a fan or jump to another sport, don't pretend to "act" like you know the business of boxing, when some of you dudes probably work at Pep Boys.

[GRUSTLER]

Again Frank Warren (Hatton Promoter at the time) didn't want the fight. He won against Tszyu his stock got high and he turned down a Cotto fight to fight Maussa who Cotto destroyed years before and then he moved up to 147 in early 2006 and when Cotto moved to 147 Hatton came back to 140. Warren saw Cotto as too big of a risk to take because at the time the money was not there Arum saw it as an opportunity to turn Cotto in to a big star by offering to fight him in England because he knew Hatton was overrated. They were in negotiations from 2004, 2005 and 2006 Hatton team turned Arum down everytime deciding to take other fights.

OK, so how come Arum said that Cotto wasn't ready to fight Mayweather and Hatton in 05? Arum also said Cotto would "HOPEFULLY BE READY" in 2006. Maybe what you say happened (article(s) would be nice) but I still have an article from Arum saying otherwise.

[WESS]

Your question did say "OR," or am I mistaken? Or did you just change your mind to the other option? And the other option on the other side of the other option was "a champion," so technically I answered your question.

But now that you bring it up, after all events played out, Pac's last legitimate threat IMO was JMM (2nd fight) -- 3 years (Cotto was 2 years)? Nothing compared to Mayweather's last legitimate threat. Who gave his ass the most trouble and how long ago?

Ok i'll give you that as I did throw the "or" making it 2 questions. As for "after all events played out", nothing had played out that we didn't already know. However De La Hoya (who I said was going to get beaten badly) was considered a threat just because of the unknown factor of just how bad De La Hoya was. As far as every fighter after that, Cotto was the only creditable fighter (@ WW) Pac has faced. I say creditable because every fighter after that has been non champions and coming off the worst performances of their career and hadn't won fights in years.

As for the last threat Mayweather fought, this was the WORLD WW Champion Shane Mosley, before that was the undefeated Ricky Hatton (a highly demanded fight), before that was De La Hoya (a highly demanded fight). 3 of his last 4 where highly demanded and considered legitimate threats UNTIL after the fact, then enter the excuses. This happens after EVERY Mayweather fight.

On the completely opposite end of that spectrum, Pac's horrible in-house hand selected former recycled champions were coming of the worst performances of their entire careers. In Floyd's case, every fighter that dates back to De La Hoya was coming off KO's. Hoya, Hatton, JMM, and Mosley were all coming off KO's. Now look at Pac's opposition, half had just been KO'ed in one of there 2 last fights, not to mention the other half hadn't even won a fight in there last 2 to 3 fights.

Long story, long.... I agree with you that JMM was the last real threat while Cotto was the last (2 years ago) legitimate fight at WW for Pac. Meantime Floyd's fighting WW Champions and legitimate threats, it's a fact and people cant have it both ways, attempting to say this champion is "too old" while that champion is "too young".

The fact remains that they are Champions and Pac hasn't fought one in years and when he DID it was at a catchweight vs a guy who 2 fights out quit in the ring, won a vacant title and went life and death vs a guy who to this day hasn't won a fight since 2008.

However at least Cotto was a title holder but is it really that good of a win or do people OVER rate Cotto because Mayweather hasn't fought him? I say it's solid but nothing great. I think people just like overly rating the Top Rank guys because Floyd hasn't fought them.

Anyway, nobody Pac has faced has me to believe he stands a decent chance vs a defensive counter puncher that has never lost fight let alone coming off horrible performances like Pac/Bob tends to look for when hand selecting his recycled in-house opposition. People tend to forget that Pac likes fighters that engage. Floyd will toy with him and make him look worse than he did in the Mosley fight. All I got to say is, Pac better not have ANY problems vs JMM at WW.


but you where right, I had "or" in the question....

[Everywhere]

Ok i'll give you that as I did throw the "or" making it 2 questions. As for "after all events played out", nothing had played out that we didn't already know. However De La Hoya (who I said was going to get beaten badly) was considered a threat just because of the unknown factor of just how bad De La Hoya was. As far as every fighter after that, Cotto was the only creditable fighter (@ WW) Pac has faced. I say creditable because every fighter after that has been non champions and coming off the worst performances of their career and hadn't won fights in years.

As for the last threat Mayweather fought, this was the WORLD WW Champion Shane Mosley, before that was the undefeated Ricky Hatton (a highly demanded fight), before that was De La Hoya (a highly demanded fight). 3 of his last 4 where highly demanded and considered legitimate threats UNTIL after the fact, then enter the excuses. This happens after EVERY Mayweather fight.

On the completely opposite end of that spectrum, Pac's horrible in-house hand selected former recycled champions were coming of the worst performances of their entire careers. In Floyd's case, every fighter that dates back to De La Hoya was coming off KO's. Hoya, Hatton, JMM, and Mosley were all coming off KO's. Now look at Pac's opposition, half had just been KO'ed in one of there 2 last fights, not to mention the other half hadn't even won a fight in there last 2 to 3 fights.

Long story, long.... I agree with you that JMM was the last real threat while Cotto was the last (2 years ago) legitimate fight at WW for Pac. Meantime Floyd's fighting WW Champions and legitimate threats, it's a fact and people cant have it both ways, attempting to say this champion is "too old" while that champion is "too young".

The fact remains that they are Champions and Pac hasn't fought one in years and when he DID it was at a catchweight vs a guy who 2 fights out quit in the ring, won a vacant title and went life and death vs a guy who to this day hasn't won a fight since 2008.

However at least Cotto was a title holder but is it really that good of a win or do people OVER rate Cotto because Mayweather hasn't fought him? I say it's solid but nothing great. I think people just like overly rating the Top Rank guys because Floyd hasn't fought them.

Anyway, nobody Pac has faced has me to believe he stands a decent chance vs a defensive counter puncher that has never lost fight let alone coming off horrible performances like Pac/Bob tends to look for when hand selecting his recycled in-house opposition. People tend to forget that Pac likes fighters that engage. Floyd will toy with him and make him look worse than he did in the Mosley fight. All I got to say is, Pac better not have ANY problems vs JMM at WW.


but you where right, I had "or" in the question....

LOL...tell em!

[GRUSTLER]

Ok i'll give you that as I did throw the "or" making it 2 questions. As for "after all events played out", nothing had played out that we didn't already know. However De La Hoya (who I said was going to get beaten badly) was considered a threat just because of the unknown factor of just how bad De La Hoya was. As far as every fighter after that, Cotto was the only creditable fighter (@ WW) Pac has faced. I say creditable because every fighter after that has been non champions and coming off the worst performances of their career and hadn't won fights in years.

As for the last threat Mayweather fought, this was the WORLD WW Champion Shane Mosley, before that was the undefeated Ricky Hatton (a highly demanded fight), before that was De La Hoya (a highly demanded fight). 3 of his last 4 where highly demanded and considered legitimate threats UNTIL after the fact, then enter the excuses. This happens after EVERY Mayweather fight.

On the completely opposite end of that spectrum, Pac's horrible in-house hand selected former recycled champions were coming of the worst performances of their entire careers. In Floyd's case, every fighter that dates back to De La Hoya was coming off KO's. Hoya, Hatton, JMM, and Mosley were all coming off KO's. Now look at Pac's opposition, half had just been KO'ed in one of there 2 last fights, not to mention the other half hadn't even won a fight in there last 2 to 3 fights.

Long story, long.... I agree with you that JMM was the last real threat while Cotto was the last (2 years ago) legitimate fight at WW for Pac. Meantime Floyd's fighting WW Champions and legitimate threats, it's a fact and people cant have it both ways, attempting to say this champion is "too old" while that champion is "too young".

The fact remains that they are Champions and Pac hasn't fought one in years and when he DID it was at a catchweight vs a guy who 2 fights out quit in the ring, won a vacant title and went life and death vs a guy who to this day hasn't won a fight since 2008.

However at least Cotto was a title holder but is it really that good of a win or do people OVER rate Cotto because Mayweather hasn't fought him? I say it's solid but nothing great. I think people just like overly rating the Top Rank guys because Floyd hasn't fought them.

Anyway, nobody Pac has faced has me to believe he stands a decent chance vs a defensive counter puncher that has never lost fight let alone coming off horrible performances like Pac/Bob tends to look for when hand selecting his recycled in-house opposition. People tend to forget that Pac likes fighters that engage. Floyd will toy with him and make him look worse than he did in the Mosley fight. All I got to say is, Pac better not have ANY problems vs JMM at WW.


but you where right, I had "or" in the question....

Great post. You KO'd him fam.

[Vasyl’s dad]

OK, so how come Arum said that Cotto wasn't ready to fight Mayweather and Hatton in 05? Arum also said Cotto would "HOPEFULLY BE READY" in 2006. Maybe what you say happened (article(s) would be nice) but I still have an article from Arum saying otherwise.

How come Floyd said, "I'm not trying to call out no welterweights"?

[Slyboots]

Taken from Rafael's chat.

Chris (Gary, Indiana)


What's up Dan? I was reading Kieran Mulvaney blog yesterdy about Floyd saying he asked for the Cotto fight. But he said Arum wouldn't let it happen. Is there any truth to that

Dan Rafael
(1:11 PM)


I do not believe Floyd legitimately asked for Cotto. Revisionist history as far as I know.




It's a known fact now that Floyd Mayweather is a ****ing liar who says anything to fit his agenda. People should learn by now not to believe a damn thing this habitual liar says. I mean don't get me wrong, I think FLoyd would have beaten Cotto then, but no way was he looking for that fight. More Mayweather lies, and there's plenty more where that came from.