People Went Nuts When Foreman Beat LHW Moorer...They Hate on Vit Tho

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Is not that Vitali isnt getting credit......did people say Foreman was the greatest HW of all time after he beat Moorer...NO......so why is Vitali proclaimed as the GOAT after beating Adamek.......

Oh and Moorer> Adamek....at least Moorer had the title....

Exactly. What Klit is doing, at his age, this rounds streak...fantastic. Level of foe matters too though. Moorer added to a fairly rich legacy. Adamek is the pinnacle of the legacy in terms of quality wins right now (before the debated losses).

Vitali's problem, and I've written on this before, is that I think everyone thinks (knows?), without injury, he dominates the last six years or so, his bro never gets to the level he's perceived at...but he didn't, and he missed what passed for a lot of the top competition in even this weaker era (one of many in Heavyweight history BTW...there's more weak than not actually). But thinking he would, and seeing it, are two different things.

Consider this question: is Adamek Chad Dawson's best win? Johnson might have a case, right? Even if it is Tomasz, does anyone sane think that makes Dawson an ATG?

Now talk Tomasz (who is, granted, a really good fighter) at Heavyweight, where his best win was an Arreola who STILL has never beaten a single top ten contender. THAT is Vitali's best win.

Vitali is going to the Hall, and he beats a LOT of history's Heavyweights (he'd have owned the division between Louis and Liston, and probably beats Sonny too before Ali comes along). But he had one crack at a great fighter and couldn't match the feats of Rahman and McCall against a Lewis older and in worse shape.

That means something too.

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I've been saying this for years, people say that Adamek getting a title shot and Evander Holyfield still fighting are signs of how weak the division is. Well then, how weak was it when a 45 year old Foreman actually won THE HW title (unlike Holyfield, who is pretty much irrelevant nowadays) and a LHW actually won the title too (unlike Adamek, who never even came close).

Gotta love their selective memories.

The HW division is weak and it was weak with Moorer, but it will get better ( i hope). Big guys who can move like Ali won't appear in every era.

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Now talk Tomasz (who is, granted, a really good fighter) at Heavyweight, where his best win was an Arreola who STILL has never beaten a single top ten contender. THAT is Vitali's best win.

Don't forget that Arreola isn't even a legit HW either, he fought at I think LHW in the AM's, and blew up to HW with pure fat. He could easily fight at cruiser weight if he got his body fat at like 10%, he probably wouldn't even have to drain himself either.



Oh and to the OP, nobody was acting like Foreman was some sort of absolute beast in that Moorer fight. It's more like they were happy for him that he won, everyone was rooting for him. A guy in his condition beat a HW champ, nobody thought he was going to win.

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Don't forget that Arreola isn't even a legit HW either, he fought at I think LHW in the AM's, and blew up to HW with pure fat. He could easily fight at cruiser weight if he got his body fat at like 10%, he probably wouldn't even have to drain himself either.



Oh and to the OP, nobody was acting like Foreman was some sort of absolute beast in that Moorer fight. It's more like they were happy for him that he won, everyone was rooting for him. A guy in his condition beat a HW champ, nobody thought he was going to win.

Foreman got credit for the accomplishment; Heavy got some heat. Foreman having gone life and death with a prime 'Vander in 92 (at 42) added to the alllure. Between 94-late 95, a good era at Heavy hit a rut and got pilloried. When all the junk belts were lined up on stiffs for Tyson, the press was apoplectic. It bounced back.

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Maybe people take into account Moorer being much more talented than Adamek, better generally (if with a lesser chin) and having much higher quality wins at Heavy, Foreman being five years older than Klit is now, Foreman fighting a better quality of competition in his career, and Moorer not being the best fighter Foreman ever actually beat.

Some people call it perspective.

It's possible to recognize the Klits are good without resorting to make believe. Just saying.

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