obviously the fight was closer than the judges made it out to be, but my point was that those numbers can be misleading
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Originally posted by Super_LightweightMayweather landed the first punch. Castillo hardly did anything in the first round as he threw about 25 punches and landed only three. Floyd dominated the first two rounds as Castillo rarely jabbed and didn’t follow up when opportunities presented themselves.
Castillo started showing signs of life deep in the second round. As a commentator for HBO as well as a former fighter, I found it strange that George Foreman wouldn’t pronounce Castillo’s name properly. He kept calling him Castell. It was annoying. As a well-paid professional, wouldn’t you at least take a minute to learn to say the fighter’s name correctly? How would George have liked it if when he was fighting, Howard Cosell had referred to him as Foolman instead of Foreman? I wonder.
In the third round, Floyd came on strong, but Castillo came to life mid-way through the round and took over. I scored that round even. In the fourth, Castillo continued to mount pressure on Mayweather, who punched on the run. JLC kept hitting on the break and after the bell, drawing a warning from Draculich. Castillo really started to turn the fight in his favor in the fifth, and although Mayweather at times out boxed him, he got off the more telling shots. The sixth and seventh rounds belonged to Castillo, who pressed Mayweather aggressively and won those rounds. Mayweather did a lot of running as the fight progressed. In the eighth round, Castillo was winning but lost a point for hitting on the break after multiple warnings, forcing a 9-9 round instead of 10-9 in his favor. The ninth round was all Castillo, whose ring generalship and power punching won the round. At the end of the ninth round, Mayweather hits Castillo after the bell, the referee looked as though he was going to take a point away from Floyd, but didn’t.
In the 10th round, with Castillo pressing Floyd with body shots and power, Mayweather took to using his elbow and was warned a few times and by the end of the round, had a point taken for it. I was amazed that Floyd was actually disciplined, since he was the favorite and is HBO’s darling.
In the 11th round, Roger Mayweather instructed Floyd to stand and punch, perhaps an indication that his trainer was concerned that Floyd may have been behind at that late point in the fight. Castillo dominated Mayweather in that round. I never saw Floyd look so overwhelmed. He was losing the fight. In the final round, Castillo seemed full of energy and was out working Mayweather, scoring with the heavier handed shots and ultimately winning the battle and the war. As the last bell rang, both fighters continued to brawl and had to be separated by Draculich. They both raised their hands in victory.
Without a knock out to settle things, HBO went to the scorecards.
The Judge’s scores read as follows:
John Keane of England – 115-111 for Mayweather
Jerry Roth of Nevada- 115-111 for Mayweather
Anek Hongtongkam of Thailand-116-111 for Mayweather
Harold Lederman of HBO had it-115-111 for Castillo.
All the announcers, including Foreman had Castillo ahead.
My score was 116-111 for Castillo.
The Punch Stats:
Castillo Mayweather
203 Thrown 157
506 Landed 448
40% Percentage 35%
Power Punching Stats:
Castillo Mayweather
173 Landed 66
377 Thrown 151
46% Percentage 44%
The audience booed the decision while Jim Lampley mentioned that he didn’t know what fight they (the Judges) were watching. He said it wasn’t the first time a decision like this was handed out.
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Originally posted by GodzHandThis is what I think....
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Originally posted by ParodiusOf course this what you think. You're a biased Castillo fan. Nuff said. Did you even read the article. If you gonna make your judgment on a Compubox stats, then you should never watch another fight.
I have seen the fight more than a few times. I don't let articles decide what to think, rather than my own eyes. I admit, I am fairly biased in favor of my boy JLC. However, once again, I saw the fight. I've seen worse decisions, but I dont think there's any way Mayweather won that fight.Attached Files
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Originally posted by GodzHandI have seen the fight more than a few times. I don't let articles decide what to think, rather than my own eyes. I admit, I am fairly biased in favor of my boy JLC. However, once again, I saw the fight. I've seen worse decisions, but I dont think there's any way Mayweather won that fight.
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Originally posted by Manny_PHBO is EXTREMELY BIASED!!!!!! They made ta Pacman vs Morales look like a wipeout. What ****in idiots! Jim Lampley cheerleadin in ta 3rd and 4th round, Lederman givin ta 5th round to Pacquiao, etc, etc, Morales gettin praised like mad, OMG, HBO is ****in biased as shyt. OR THEy DON'T KNOW THEy SHYT!
I was reading the posts backwards and when they brought up the subject of the commentators being biased I'll admit whole-heartdly, They were kind of biased for Morales.
I'm pro-Morales to the core and will be against whoever he fights.
Do I think that Erik Morales beat Manny Pacquiao...Yes.
Do I think that the HBO commentators were a little one-sided with Morales...well, I guess I kind of do. It really hit me after I watched the fight for like the 4th time.
Possible reasons behind it...
1. Maybe they were more excited that Morales was landing the harder shots? Possibly.
2. Maybe they were more in favor of a Top Rank fighter? Who knows?
But the one thing I do know is that when Zahir Raheem out-boxed Morales they made major note of it for 12 rds.
just my opinion
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Originally posted by ParodiusYou just proved my point. You called him your boy. This article is for the unbiased fans, not for people calling a fighter MY BOY. I've seen the fight more then a few times. This writer sees it the right way, he's not being biased or letting the HBO crew to help him. Mayweather clearly won the first fight with an broken hand.
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Originally posted by ParodiusI think this sports writer explain why some people think that Castillo won the first fight. Read this!
Mayweather Beats Castillo. Merchant, Lederman and Lampley...
22 April, 2002 - By Cliff Clark
Floyd Mayweather Jr. won a clear victory over Jose Luis Castillo Saturday night, but somehow TV commentators Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant and Harold Lederman didn't see it that way. Of course none of these three men has ever boxed, or knows very much about boxing, but that doesn't stop them from being the three most pompous asses ever to ruin a boxing telecast. Not only did they report a different fight than the one that was taking place; they made snide remarks about Mayweather being a "house fighter", being a "gifted" fighter, and otherwise implied blatant favoritism by the three judges. All of the judges correctly saw Mayweather winning by a very solid margin. Their cards were very similar.
The job of commentators should not be to score the fight, but to comment on it. Jim Lampley especially seemed unsure of just how some rounds should be scored. "Tough round to score" Lampley opined after the 11th round, a round that saw Mayweather rock Castillo back with sharp left hooks, and a variety of counter shots. They all seemed to see the fight differently. Lederman had Castillo winning by a solid margin after the 11th while Merchant had Jose winning by a single point. The only thing they agreed on was that Floyd Mayweather was beaten. "I don't think there is any controversy" Merchant exclaimed. "I think most people believe Castillo won." This asinine comment tells you why three boxing judges often have a fight scored so astoundingly different. They are simply as many incompetent judges as there are inept commentators.
The person who did the compubox punch stats for the Mayweather-Castillo fight must have been named Castillo. Mayweather out boxed Castillo by a mile in the first round. Floyd clearly out boxed Jose in each of the first five rounds, landing numerous jabs and hooks, and drawing blood from Castillo's nose. By the end of the fight Castillo's cheeks and left eye were puffy, while Mayweather's only mark came from a head butt. Although Castillo did connect with some good solid punches, he landed far less often than Mayweather. Floyd finished the fight without any swelling or marks on his cheeks or eyes. Castillo is a very tough and sturdy lightweight who had a nine-pound weight advantage coming into the ring. Jose also showed a granite chin, but that doesn't land any punches for you. Many of the punches compubox credited Castillo with didn't land effectively. Castillo's punches were largely missing, or landing on Mayweather's gloves, elbows, or shoulders, straying below the belt, or landing after the bell. The name of the game is boxing, and the rounds should go to the boxer who lands the cleaner, harder, punches, and of course they need to be legal punches.
The sixth round was fairly close but I gave it to Mayweather. I guess if you were looking to give Castillo a round after he lost the first five, you might have given him that round. Castillo won the seventh, eighth and ninth rounds on my card as he tried to swarm over Mayweather with tremendous aggression. Mayweather seemed to be coasting in these rounds, trying to get Castillo to punch himself out a little. After fouling Mayweather about 50 times, and after repeated warnings to Castillo about punching on the break, punching low and punching after the bell, the referee finally took a point from Jose for contemptuously hitting on the break.
At that point Larry Merchant bitterly complained that the referee was being too "officious." However, that point deduction became a wash when the referee took a point from Mayweather for pushing off with his left forearm, which is something you tend to do when someone continuously runs into you with their head and shoulders. In fact at one point Castillo grabbed Mayweather, got him turned around, and then hit Mayweather a couple of times in the back with the referee just standing there. Even the commentators, except for Merchant, thought that was a very strange thing for the referee to allow.
Mayweather came back strong to win the 10th and 11th rounds going away. By the finale three rounds he had Castillo broken down a little, and he stood in there and punched with Castillo. Floyd ripped off sharp combinations and many good counter punches in those rounds. There is no way a competent judge would score rounds 10 and 11 for Castillo. The twelfth round was much closer and I gave it to Castillo. My score card read 115-111 for Mayweather, the same as two of the judges. The third judge had the fight 116-111 for Mayweather. They saw the same fight I did, and a different one than the commentators saw. I used to like 15 round title fights, because they separated the fighter's abilities in a way that was easier for mediocre judges and commentators to pick up on.
I remember the way Harold Lederman scored some rounds in the Hopkins-Trinidad fight, and a few other fights. He's just not very good at it. When one fighter is obviously outclassed and getting hurt, that seems to be the only time Lederman consistently gets it right. I even think that the other Lederman, I think her name is Julie-I don't know if she is his daughter or what-is better than he is. At least she scored the last Holyfield-Ruiz fight better than Harold did.
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