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    http://www.8countnews.com/news/125/A...011-08-22.html



    When Roach Speaks People Should Listen!

    August 22nd, 2011
    Keith Terceira



    For the second time or is it the third, in the relatively short career of Manny Pacquiao there are rumors swirling around the globe about financial concerns, missing monies, and not so honest members of a Pac-Man team.

    Those with short memories or those that were not on board the Pacquiao express back in 2003-2004 probably don’t recall the intense discussions in the boxing world when Freddie Roach warned the world that something was amiss with the money Pacquiao was getting from then promoter Murad Muhammad.

    In 2005, Pacquiao filed suit and the boxing community became fully aware that Roach was spot on in regards to Promotional and Managerial failings in the Pac-Man team. Roach was at the head of protecting his Philippine fighter, even quitting the team at one point.

    Missing were the funds to pay his US taxes, diverted by less scrupulous people than the trusting Manny, though this matter was settled in court the cost may have affected Pacquiao’s bottom line, so to that point perhaps money from before that date is not all that correct when reported in the press.

    Unfortunately as many of us Americans have learned, man cannot live on credit alone and Pacquiao has a history of taking advances and loans from the people he has fought for and worked with. Like many other fighters perhaps he felt at the time that there would always be another fight around the corner. Someday there won’t be and all that money will still come due to those that were smart enough to know the shady business of boxing.


    "It has taken me awhile to come to terms with the fact that I have been cheated by people whom I trusted," stated Mr. Pacquiao regarding the lawsuit today. "I intend to see this suit to the bitter end so that I can recover every dollar that was stolen from me, as well as help protect other fighters from being taken advantage of by Mr. Muhammad. As for the immediate future, my fans can rest assured that I will be fighting soon, but not with Murad Muhammad or M&M Sports as my promoter. As of today, I have instructed my new management to begin negotiating for my next fight and fights thereafter. I will never fight again for Murad Muhammad and M&M Sports."

    This was the quote from Pacquiao in 2005 and one wonders if the names can be changed and have it still apply to this day?

    Frankly I don’t believe Pacquiao learned a thing from his time with M&M Sports and even in 2006 when the buildup was between Manny and the Eric Morales rematch, Pacquiao was living beyond his means and accepting loans from the people around him.

    If you look at the details of the two million dollar rematch contract, Manny only received $313,446 , there were also deferred amounts in the form of loans from people like Shelley Finkel, Nick Khan, Keith Davidson , and even Freddie Roach deferred $40,000 of his $200,000 due him for the bout. When you start breaking down things like a $200,000 advance from Top Rank and $80,350 in fight tickets Pacquiao requested, $75,000 for an assistant trainer, and $50,000 for a translator and camp aide it is little wonder that the money was disappearing then and may be disappearing again today.

    Gary Shaw who was brought in to look after Pac-Man’s interests was paid a huge amount of money for little work and also advanced Pacquiao an additional $52,000, bought $3000 worth of tickets for the Corrales and Castillo rematch at Manny’s request , and a $67,639 for a Porsche. All this money including the quarter million dollar fee Shaw got needed to be returned from the purse.

    If history continued to repeat itself and Pacquiao has been taking huge amounts of advances and loans from the money people around him, then eventually this needs to be paid and it’s no wonder that the possibility arises that Manny is hurting financially.

    Add in the reports of a love of ********, houses and real estate bought around the globe that may be mortgaged or leveraged to others and you have a recipe for the same disaster that has befallen others like Tyson, Joe Lewis, or Holyfield.

    In the mist of all this has been one constant, one voice looking to balance truth with hype, one watchful eye that you could take to the bank if they spoke. That has been Freddie Roach, who pulls no punches, and forewarned us several times about issues revolving around and in Pac land.

    So when people hear that Freddie Roach has said that Manny Pacquiao is “Broke”, then I for one will put my money on the safe bet, and that’s Roach!




  • #2
    I can't believe people spend so much time talking about fighters financial situations.

    If pac or anyone else is getting robbed of their money, that's on them.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
      I can't believe people spend so much time talking about fighters financial situations.

      If pac or anyone else is getting robbed of their money, that's on them.
      Given the amount of time and resources that the media comits to this topic, it is clear that there is broad interest.

      This type of coverage gives many people a peek under the tent of the boxing business that they are not necessarily privy to.

      gr

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      • #4
        It sucks he is getting screwed, but I think most of these threads are just retaliation for the endless months of IRS threads we had to read from *******s.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gino Ros View Post
          Given the amount of time and resources that the media comits to this topic, it is clear that there is broad interest.

          This type of coverage gives many people a peek under the tent of the boxing business that they are not necessarily privy to.

          gr
          Most of the media attention this topic is receiving is on boxing websites and smaller media outlets.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RachelB View Post
            It sucks he is getting screwed, but I think most of these threads are just retaliation for the endless months of IRS threads we had to read from *******s.
            Well, it seems there are TWO things going on.

            On one hand, Pacquiao is getting screwed/short-changed. From the other side, his spending habits are out of control.

            The details provided here, along with the countless reports of ******** losses, are not reflective of a person who is financially responsible.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
              Most of the media attention this topic is receiving is on boxing websites and smaller media outlets.
              Because it is primarily a boxing topic. And we are boxing fans.

              I would not expect the NYT or FT to be covering this at this point.

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              • #8
                This information is useful in determining the likelihood of a may pac fight. If this article is true, it suggests the likelihood of the fight happening soon is high. Even Big Dunn is getting tired of the endless back and forth.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Big Dunn View Post
                  This information is useful in determining the likelihood of a may pac fight. If this article is true, it suggests the likelihood of the fight happening soon is high. Even Big Dunn is getting tired of the endless back and forth.
                  A lot of people don't know how Nevada works. Most fans don't know much about the details of the boxing business in general.

                  Almost everything is public information. For example, this guy that used to post here, Al Haymon, would put up purses, gate revenue etc. He got that info directly from the Nevada Commission. With a simple request, you can access all that information.

                  There is a thing called the "payout sheet" in Nevada. Perhaps in other states, too...but I've seen the NV ones. It details what a fighter's purse is, and what deductions were made. So the information you see above is accurate - it's most likely directly from the payout sheets.

                  That is why you don't see promoters challenging these numbers when they appear in the media. A non-lazy reporter or member of the public can get the accurate info.

                  When Arum gave the media fake purses for Pac ($12 million!! $15 million!!), Kizer came out and said "No, it's not. Pacquiao made $6 million".

                  What did Arum say? Not. A. Damn. Thing.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Big Dunn View Post
                    This information is useful in determining the likelihood of a may pac fight. If this article is true, it suggests the likelihood of the fight happening soon is high. Even Big Dunn is getting tired of the endless back and forth.
                    Side note:

                    The dirty word above is "defer". That means "loan". That means "Obligation". Which in turn means that the fighter is beholden to someone else and may end up having to do something he doesn't really want just to get that bill paid.

                    When Pacquiao owes Arum and Roach (Freddie deferred payment), then who is REALLY driving the decisions?

                    I think it's notable that a couple of years ago, Pac said that he was going to fight less and work on his country more. Now, as soon as one fight is complete, Arum is already announcing another one in six months.

                    Pac's choice?...or Bob's?

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