The Mistake EVERYBODY Makes Against Mayweather.

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  • r ! z
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    #241
    Originally posted by ghns1133
    i think a really skilled swarmer with great headmovment would have to feint to get inside and then work the body....

    sounds simple but it takes a special type of animal...

    the fients would mess with floyds rythm a little but they would have to be really good ones...

    then u need to have great headmovement to avoiod getting hit on ur way in and great anticpatiion of his counters....

    when he starts to shoulder roll u have to rely on ur left hook a little more cause he rolls with the right very well....

    and u would have to NOT get frustrated when he taunts u or makes u miss....

    and some gamesmenship would help....

    find out what makes him tick try to exploit it....
    Sounds like Ricky Hatton's game plan. Verbatim.

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      #242
      Originally posted by _original_
      Judah did have good success in the early rounds, but I don't think it was Judah's plan to go into the defensive the whole fight. Floyd's gameplan the whole night was to press the action and attack the body to break Judah down. It wasn't that Judah made that happen, Floyd just went in there with that gameplan, he said so himself before and after the fight. I also recall Judah getting cornered against the ropes and Floyd hitting him at will, that's the result of fighting Floyd to defensive minded.


      Zab didnt do JACK **** in this fight......Mayweather dropped first 2 rounds on 2 cards after getting outlanded 11-5 in power shots in opening 6 minutes. Start of round 3 All Floyd from then on, as he outlanded Judah 153-53 in power shots, including 28-2 in the 9th. Judah landed in single digits in total connects in 10 of 12 rounds.

      Overall, Mayweather landed 205 of 441 (46%) total punches to 89 of 485 (18%) for Zab.

      Floyd also landed 158 of 322 (49%) power shots to 64 of 177 (36%) for Judah, who managed to land just 25 of 308 jabs (8%).

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        #243
        Originally posted by r ! z
        Sounds like Ricky Hatton's game plan. Verbatim.
        pssssss...It is

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        • dosepulgada
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          #244
          You also gotta need to check for his elbows. Not saying this as the thing that makes him win but if you got elbowed without the ref noticing it, his competitors shouldn't let it mess up their head/gameplan. This can frustrate them too. I just read Hagler vs Sugar's discussion writeup (with interviews from both fighters) from ESPN and it seems that both are really trying to psych each other out.

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          • Gino Ros
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            #245
            Will Miguel repeat the same old mistakes?

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            • bojangles1987
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              #246
              Originally posted by Gino Ros
              Will Miguel repeat the same old mistakes?
              Cotto thinks he is going to win by making Floyd come at him and outboxing him. My opinion, anyway. It's the absolute wrong thing for him to do, but he'll try anyway.

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                #247
                Originally posted by Gino Ros
                If a guy could use the type of distance control that Winky used on Tito...

                Everybody wants to "come in" on Floyd. How come guys don't "back up"? Leave his a$s standing there?

                He won't be in range for the straight right hand...or that lead left hook
                Because he can shorten the distance and hit you before you can do anything about it , Floyd is the master of distance nobody in the game controls distance like he does and he has very long reach and fights very long ,

                To beat Floyd you have got to keep changing your rhythm you cannot be constant because he will time you all night , youve got to match his speed and anticipation .

                You wanna run from Floyd you will still lose because he will still hit you more than you hit him .

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                • SonnyDempsey
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                  #248
                  Originally posted by Gino Ros
                  I always see the question asked: How will you attack Mayweather? How will you break through his defense?

                  I suggest a paradigm shift.

                  How about going in with a plan to DEFEND against Mayweather? How will Floyd feel when he can't hit you at will? When he can't get his offense off? When he feels uncomfortable because he isn't piling up points?

                  Now, you may ask :"Floyd's offense is not all that. Why should I be worried about his offense?"

                  That's the person from OUTSIDE the ring saying that. Once you get into the ring, those punches don't feel great. The guy has 25 KO's. Corrales, Hatton. Gatti. Good fighters. He knocked down Marquez. His offense had Shane completely discouraged. He isn't quite the feather-fist you imagine. Guys aren't trying to walk through him.


                  If I was going to fight Floyd, I would be focused on a BALANCED fight plan. I would be concerned with my defense as much - if not more - than my offense.

                  Believe me: Floyd expects every opponent to attack him. Judah did. Hatton did. Oscar did. Shane did. Ortiz will.

                  Flip the script. Give Floyd something to think about. Make him have to come out of his shell OFFENSIVELY.


                  For discussion....thoughts?



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                  This is why Emanuel Augustus was his toughest fight. It's not so much the fighter's faults as it is the trainers. They watch the tapes and decide that they're obviously going to be able to get past his shoulder roll and catch him with a good shot, so they make that the game plan. Max Kellerman even stated to Floyd that it seems as though his toughest opponents are defensive-minded fighters. I don't remember what Floyd's response was (if anyone has the clip, please post it)

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                  • freedom213
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                    #249
                    Originally posted by Gino Ros
                    If a guy could use the type of distance control that Winky used on Tito...

                    Everybody wants to "come in" on Floyd. How come guys don't "back up"? Leave his a$s standing there?

                    He won't be in range for the straight right hand...or that lead left hook
                    Couldn't agree with you more. In fact that's the only reason I give Cotto a chance in this fight, I think he has the jab, the skills and the mental and physical toughness to do this and I have a su****ion Pedro Diaz has this sort of plan in mind. Dont take too much, land the jab step around and out. A balanced approach. If Cotto can land that jab and do some damage he can get Floyd just a bit out of his comfort zone and get him to attack in a manner he isn't used to Cotto has a chance to be very effective with his left hook and short punches.

                    Bring on the haters......

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                    • freedom213
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                      #250
                      Originally posted by bojangles1987
                      Cotto thinks he is going to win by making Floyd come at him and outboxing him. My opinion, anyway. It's the absolute wrong thing for him to do, but he'll try anyway.
                      Hopefully Cotto is planning on mixing that up with aggression, you're right Floyd would likely adjust to that in a few rounds.

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