The Mistake EVERYBODY Makes Against Mayweather.

[rambov]

That is what I'm asking. If Floyd Intentionally takes a punch off his body (as he does all the time), should that count as a landed punch on the judges' cards, compubox, and that new punchtrack that HBO uses?

My opinion is that it SHOULD. My guess is that the judges view it in their minds as a block, and don't "score" it for his opponent.

But usually its to his back. I think its hard to count. That also would only apply to his close fights. He usually wins decisively

[Gino Ros]

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I have always felt that Floyd has an "unnatural" advantage in the scoring because when someone lands to his body or shoulder, they don't get scored.

Think about it. Do you think the judges score this flurry for N'Dou?




I would bet $100 that the judges say "Oh ****!! What a defense!". When, in reality, N'Dou landed like 10 punches to Floyd's shoulders. Punches that if Miguel Cotto landed on zab, the judges would say ""Damn, Miguel is really mauling Judah".

Think about that.

I think mayweather gets the benefit of scoring because his defense is so 'pretty" and judges get ****** into that. They ain't giving you no points for landing on Floyd's arms when Floyd is INTENTIONALLY turning his arm to absorb the punch.

[GrandpaBernard]

REPOST:


I have always felt that Floyd has an "unnatural" advantage in the scoring because when someone lands to his body or shoulder, they don't get scored.

Think about it. Do you think the judges score this flurry for N'Dou?




I would bet $100 that the judges say "Oh ****!! What a defense!". When, in reality, N'Dou landed like 10 punches to Floyd's shoulders. Punches that if Miguel Cotto landed on zab, the judges would say ""Damn, Miguel is really mauling Judah".

Think about that.

I think mayweather gets the benefit of scoring because his defense is so 'pretty" and judges get ****** into that. They ain't giving you no points for landing on Floyd's arms when Floyd is INTENTIONALLY turning his arm to absorb the punch.

Defense is apart of the scoring criteria. Floyd happens to use his shoulders and arms for it.

I think the only defense they don't score is rolling with a shot to lessen the impact as it hits you.

If we look at past scorecards of Floyd's fights, there's always one or two judges that score it real wide for him.

[Brother Jay]

Apologies, bojangles... but history has shown that not to be the case.

I realize that you are talking the rule, and not the exception. But history is littered with too many examples of one guy (middling maybe) who just has another guy's number. Based on size/style or a combination thereof.

I believe that Zahir Raheem will ALWAYS beat Erik Morales.

I think you have this one wrong, Gino.

Look at who you're talking about.

Erik Morales is about as great as Arturo Gatti.

Same with Barrera. He's the Mickey Ward of the group.

Both those men were overrated. People who aren't real fans of the game don't remember when Junior Jones beat Barrera so badly that he was contemplating retirement. Twice.

Zahir Raheem had done nothing else of real importance other than beat Erick Morales 12 rounds out of 12 rounds. It was a dominating performance.

Neither Junior Jones or Zahir Raheem were elite. They were pretty good talents, but as you see their careers faded. I don't think it was a matter of having some one's number. I think that most times when people say someone has their number, that person was just exposed for not being able to deal with a particular style.

I say "exposed" because that's exactly what it is. Fans have little idea of how one fighter's success can be largely predicated on CAREFUL matchmaking. This is why its important to look at who a top fighter beats to earn being called a top fighter.

When you're fighting the #1 and #2 in a division(like a real champion is supposed to)no one can question you choices. No one fighter controls who wins or loses. So if his goals are to fight the best and he actually does go out and fight the #1's and #2's, then he the man.

Erik Morales and Marco Barrera made each other great in the same way Arturo Gatti and Mickey Ward made each other great. They each had a great trilogy, and fans will remember that, but A LOT of fans get confused and try to make those 3 fights translate into longevity at the top and domination of the sport, which they aren't.

Paraphrasing what Mr Bojangles1987 said .. prime elites don't get dominated by non-elites. Morales, Barrera, Gatti and Ward have all been dominated by non-elites. No one punch knockouts. I'm talking domination round after round.

I say all this because you Gino seem to think that there are exceptions to the rule based on Morales. I needed to show you that that he isn't elite despite giving us some great fights.

Let's not forget that both Morales and Barrera avoided the true elite of their division for years: Juan Manuel Marquez.

You wouldn't compare either Morales or Barrera to Marquez ability or skills.

Why?

Because Marquez is on a different level.

[Gino Ros]

Erik Morales is about as great as Arturo Gatti.

l.

Wait - I stopped reading right there. I'll go back to your full post.

[Dudley]

If a guy could use the type of distance control that Winky used on Tito...

Everybody wants to "come in" on Floyd. How come guys don't "back up"? Leave his a$s standing there?

He won't be in range for the straight right hand...or that lead left hook

Winky is my boy! fa show that would be a good fight! Winks beat Hops too! Winky is the most underrated fighter on the planet...was... But he's really old now in boxing years...kinda.

I like your thoughts. Very interesting argument the only thing you would be thinking about now is a boxing match. there is no one in the division who posses those skills...

[baya]

I think you have this one wrong, Gino.

Look at who you're talking about.

Erik Morales is about as great as Arturo Gatti.

Same with Barrera. He's the Mickey Ward of the group.

Both those men were overrated. People who aren't real fans of the game don't remember when Junior Jones beat Barrera so badly that he was contemplating retirement. Twice.

Zahir Raheem had done nothing else of real importance other than beat Erick Morales 12 rounds out of 12 rounds. It was a dominating performance.

Neither Junior Jones or Zahir Raheem were elite. They were pretty good talents, but as you see their careers faded. I don't think it was a matter of having some one's number. I think that most times when people say someone has their number, that person was just exposed for not being able to deal with a particular style.

I say "exposed" because that's exactly what it is. Fans have little idea of how one fighter's success can be largely predicated on CAREFUL matchmaking. This is why its important to look at who a top fighter beats to earn being called a top fighter.

When you're fighting the #1 and #2 in a division(like a real champion is supposed to)no one can question you choices. No one fighter controls who wins or loses. So if his goals are to fight the best and he actually does go out and fight the #1's and #2's, then he the man.

Erik Morales and Marco Barrera made each other great in the same way Arturo Gatti and Mickey Ward made each other great. They each had a great trilogy, and fans will remember that, but A LOT of fans get confused and try to make those 3 fights translate into longevity at the top and domination of the sport, which they aren't.

Paraphrasing what Mr Bojangles1987 said .. prime elites don't get dominated by non-elites. Morales, Barrera, Gatti and Ward have all been dominated by non-elites. No one punch knockouts. I'm talking domination round after round.

I say all this because you Gino seem to think that there are exceptions to the rule based on Morales. I needed to show you that that he isn't elite despite giving us some great fights.

Let's not forget that both Morales and Barrera avoided the true elite of their division for years: Juan Manuel Marquez.

You wouldn't compare either Morales or Barrera to Marquez ability or skills.

Why?

Because Marquez is on a different level.

really? really?

[Brother Jay]

REPOST:


I have always felt that Floyd has an "unnatural" advantage in the scoring because when someone lands to his body or shoulder, they don't get scored.

Think about it. Do you think the judges score this flurry for N'Dou?




I would bet $100 that the judges say "Oh ****!! What a defense!". When, in reality, N'Dou landed like 10 punches to Floyd's shoulders. Punches that if Miguel Cotto landed on zab, the judges would say ""Damn, Miguel is really mauling Judah".

Think about that.

I think mayweather gets the benefit of scoring because his defense is so 'pretty" and judges get ****** into that. They ain't giving you no points for landing on Floyd's arms when Floyd is INTENTIONALLY turning his arm to absorb the punch.

I think you're wrong here too, Gino.

If you watch the video, the only punches that were landing were the body blows. The idea of Floyd defense isn't to "stuff" the punch as much as to move out of the way. If you look closely, N'dou was punching at a target that was there a second ago, but gone by the time he tried to connect.

If it were all about stuffing the punch, Floyd wouldn't be leaning back on the ropes looking for room to move and operate. I'm sure a few punches landed, but out of that flurry ONLY a few landed.

When Floyd turtles up, its for defense yes ... but its also to create less of a target that can be missed by mere inches when he rotates his torso. And boxing is ALL about inches. Ask any trainer or pro.

On a last note, pay attention to how many of N'dou's punches land on Floyd's gloves. That's the real impressive part of the video. Most people don't even know to look for that to catch it. The punches aren't landing on his shoulders and arms like you might think for the most part.

Check it out. Those punches would be counted. That windshield wiper action is deceptive.

[STREET CLEANER]

You don't need to knock Floyd out. Or to "dominate" him. I think that is what guys go in there thinking.
You need to win seven rounds. In the minds of two judges.

And Floyd is always very comfortable giving 2-3 rounds away at the start of a fight.

So, basically, you need to fight Floyd "even" from rounds 4-12.

Ricky Hatton: I'm stronger than him. I'm going to maul him.

Shane Mosley: I'm bigger , stronger, just as fast, and he can't take my power:

Naazim Richardson: Anything Shane hits will fall. Shane can knock out a farm animal. In fact, we are bringing oxen and water buffalo in as sparring partners.

Victor Ortiz: I'm going to destroy Mayweather, then KO him.

See the trend?

It would take a guy like Martinez to be able to keep the fight competitive. Bigger, fast mover that can box and be offensive.

But like every Floyd opponent half down the fight they have a dis-incouraged look cause they can't hit the target and are getting hit back. Punches down the middle is the most effective way of fighting Floyd

[Gino Ros]

Defense is apart of the scoring criteria. Floyd happens to use his shoulders and arms for it.

I think the only defense they don't score is rolling with a shot to lessen the impact as it hits you.

If we look at past scorecards of Floyd's fights, there's always one or two judges that score it real wide for him.

That's not what I'm asking champ.

I'm asking if N'Dou got any credit for that flurry.


And if that was Cotto throwing at Judah, would Cotto get credit for that flurry.