Why did Hopkins duck Calzaghe in 2002?

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let's see who ducked who.

is it calzaghe who in many interviews after 2002 said he couldn't fight in the usa because he was too scared of flying. his own promoter said he saw calzaghe go flying on holiday though hmmmm.

is it calzaghe who's own promoter said calzaghe was scared to fight top opposition and begged him to be matched soft.

is it calzaghe who refused on many occasions to even fight glen johnson and ducked him repeatedly.

or is it hopkins who has one of the best resumes of the last 20 years.

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people are really daft. according to court transcripts warren wanted the fight in the uk. jesus stop with your lies about the fight being in the usa. hopkins wanted more money to go over there and fight calzaghe and warren refused to pay him. seems pretty logical that if hopkins is gonna go overseas when he's the bigger star he should get more money. warren refused and later revealed he was never serious about making tough fights for calzaghe until he begged him to fight lacy. what more evidence do you need? the guy says he's scared of flying so he can't leave. his own promoter says he was matching him soft. his resume stinks to high heaven. i mean come on look at the facts.

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this ****** ****ing **** again, i swear...... the thread starter is a hack, of ******ed proportions.....

first of all, and this is all that really needs to be said about this lame and less than trivial question.

hopkins was and still is one of the shrewdest businessmen in the sport, next to a couple of promoters throughout the history of the sport. he has never been worried about his record, he has never been scared of any challenge pertaining to the " Loss " part of his record, hopkins has always been concerned with making money, if the fight is worth it or not...........

calzaghe and friends were bs'ing on the money, and hopkins wasn't going to go out of his way to make whatever they were offering when he could get more or less here without having to concede his position, aka a smart businessman, and a man about his business....

if calzaghe really wanted that fight back then, then they would've made it, same with hopkins, they would've kept at the negotiations until ti was made, nuff said.

why has calzaghe ducked the rematch after they fought, calzaghe's toughest fight in his whole career, which was one that is highly disputed by boxing adepts and non biased fans.

that is the real question, there is still business to settle and calzaghe has jet set into the sun set, far far away from the executioner.


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let's see who ducked who.

is it calzaghe who in many interviews after 2002 said he couldn't fight in the usa because he was too scared of flying. his own promoter said he saw calzaghe go flying on holiday though hmmmm.

is it calzaghe who's own promoter said calzaghe was scared to fight top opposition and begged him to be matched soft.

is it calzaghe who refused on many occasions to even fight glen johnson and ducked him repeatedly.

or is it hopkins who has one of the best resumes of the last 20 years.

why you gettin all butthurt?

the facts are there for everyone to see so why try and go the long way around them?

hopkins turned down a career high payday to fight calzaghe in 2002 and then in his next 3 fights combined earned less than he would have for one fight with joe.

we both know calzaghe had to pull out of the johnson fight on multiple occassions because of his well documented hand problems, do you think calzaghe would really be scared of fighting someone who had already lost at 168 to kiwanuku, sosa, ottke, vanderpool, branca, and sheika hahahahahaha - give over dumbo.

when thinking about hopkins resume, its always important to remember that there were 8 times that hopkins got into that ring and wasn't good enough to beat his opponent. hopkins also never beat a 'Grade A' opponent at a fair weight.

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let's see who ducked who.

is it calzaghe who in many interviews after 2002 said he couldn't fight in the usa because he was too scared of flying. his own promoter said he saw calzaghe go flying on holiday though hmmmm.

is it calzaghe who's own promoter said calzaghe was scared to fight top opposition and begged him to be matched soft.

is it calzaghe who refused on many occasions to even fight glen johnson and ducked him repeatedly.

or is it hopkins who has one of the best resumes of the last 20 years.

Ummm it was Hopkins.

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1st of all, let me just say a quick thank you to the thousands of well wishing PM's i've received since i joined the forum a couple of days ago. i realise my reputation precedes me and that i am widely regarded as one of the most respected boxing analysts in internet history but i am here to educate and just be one of the guys which leads me to my 1st topic



"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.





its 2002 and hopkins had beat trinidad 10 months before and then beat carl daniels 5 months ago. Having cleared out one of the worst middleweight era's in living memory, hopkins received a career high payday offer of $3m to fight joe calzaghe at 168. Hopkins then deliberately prices himself out of the fight with calzaghe and instead goes on to fight 3 mediocre opponents in hakkar, joppy, and robert allan. for those 3 fights combined, hopkins earnt less than he would have earnt for one single fight with joe calzaghe.



the positive aspects for hopkins to fight calzaghe were

- a career high payday
- becoming the man in 2 weight divisions
- the fight would be in america
- the fact that bernard could easily adjust to the weight seen as hopkins fought 20 of his first 21 fights above the middleweight limit of 160




i'm trying to work out why hopkins ducked calzaghe in 2002, can any of you shed any light on what put bernard off fighting joe calzaghe?

I remember the incident when Hopkins had agreed to a price and then deliberately doubled it. Just don't recall the exact meeting circumstances. So this report has had published contemporary confirmation.

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more lies exposed. hopkins was offered 3 million? nope more warren lies. the 3 million was the total for both fighters. read the court transcripts you liars.

frank warren court testimony under oath

I pointed out to them
because I had been doing quite a few shows with
Showtime, that the most money they were prepared
to pay for the fight, the rights fee, was $3
million.

the rights fee was 3 million!maybe you guys are beginning to put the facts together and see warren and calzaghe are full of sh-it? he was fudging the numbers!

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this ****** ****ing **** again, i swear...... the thread starter is a hack, of ******ed proportions.....

first of all, and this is all that really needs to be said about this lame and less than trivial question.

hopkins was and still is one of the shrewdest businessmen in the sport, next to a couple of promoters throughout the history of the sport. he has never been worried about his record, he has never been scared of any challenge pertaining to the " Loss " part of his record, hopkins has always been concerned with making money, if the fight is worth it or not...........

calzaghe and friends were bs'ing on the money, and hopkins wasn't going to go out of his way to make whatever they were offering when he could get more or less here without having to concede his position, aka a smart businessman, and a man about his business....

if calzaghe really wanted that fight back then, then they would've made it, same with hopkins, they would've kept at the negotiations until ti was made, nuff said.

why has calzaghe ducked the rematch after they fought, calzaghe's toughest fight in his whole career, which was one that is highly disputed by boxing adepts and non biased fans.

that is the real question, there is still business to settle and calzaghe has jet set into the sun set, far far away from the executioner.


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why would calzaghe want to rematch a man who wanted to hold, headbutt, and feign injury all night rather than have a tare up. why would calzaghe rematch a man who went out of his way to make the 1st fight the most boring fight in history.

calzaghe cleaned out 168 and then in he took out the main man on foreign soil at 175 in his first fight at the weight. there is no score to settle, calzaghe beat hopkins t a new weight with 3 american judges, despite a corrupt referee allowing hopkins to break every rule in the book. this is the same bernard hopkins that threw himself out of the ring v robert allan and turned the 2nd jones fight into an absoloute farce with his bull****.

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I'm a Joe fan... Did he really say he was afraid to fly back then?.. Not cool at all.

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more testimony of the liar saying the fight was gonna be in wales

I believed if we could have got -- if
that fight had happened, we would have put it on
in a place called Cardiff in Wales. I think we
would have around 30 to 40,000 people there, so
we probably would have taken 2 million pounds on
the gate, maybe more. I don't know what the
dollar rate was at the time.
There was British TV at that time, I
believe a pay-per-view show, Sky TV were the
broadcasters I worked with in the U.K. That
would have gone out in prime time because
Showtime did say that they would take it on a
delayed basis like they had done -

I can't remember what the exchange rate was at the
time, it's a bit more favorable now, but I think
around that time you are probably looking around
maybe 5, maybe $5 million, something like that.
Q. In addition to the gate?
A. No, inclusive.
Q. So $5 million, dollars for the gate
and for the ancillary rights?
A. Correct.

so calzaghe was gonna take 5 million! haha! how could calzaghe get so much more than hopkins? you getting the picture yet? these were not serious negotiations.