When you say "Slick Boxer", I hear "Smart Boxer"!

[Alex_Hayden]

Slick= Fast in the reflexes department. If everyone was fast, everyone would move out of the way of a punch lol.

Smart= Being able to throw both leads and counters effectively. Because in order to do that you have to be able to identify when each should be thrown. That takes intelligence.

So yeah, dodging a punch or having defense is all about speed and reflexes, because if you don't have speed or the ability to move out of the way fast enough, you than have to roll and add that subtle head movement you see all the ATG pressure fighters do. You think guys are punching bags when in reality they're doing little things to take the sting of most of the punches being thrown at them.

[- v e t -]

Thank you for agreeing with what I said in my post.

no, to me, slick is elusive and crafty

not the same as smart....

[hu r u?]

lmaoooo ts tryin hard to be slick and smart

[Mr. Philadel]

There is a lot of talk about the superiority (or lack thereof) of the "slick Black boxer".

Well, first of all, I want to take the racial aspect out of it. There are many guys who I feel fit this mold but are not Black (hey, Slappin' Joe!), so let's talk generically and race-free.

It's not so much that they are "slick", it's that they are "SMART". You can be fast and elusive but not be smart (Paulie Malignaggi). But the guys who are smart fighters seem to fit this mold , and they have the greatest success.

Pernell Whitaker
Floyd Mayweather
Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hopkins (even though BH isn't as quick/fast)

These guys seem to almost always win the back half of their fights because they make adjustments. They don't simply fight harder. They fight smarter. Look at how Joe C was knocked down early by both Jones and Hopkins. Joe made adjustments in the Kessler fight also.

Look at how Zahir Raheem technically mastered Erik Morales. Pernell confused and potshotted Chavez all night.



When's the last time Floyd lost a round in the second half of a fight?

So, you have fast/slick guys who are not smart (Zab, Paulie, Hamed, etc). But the guys who are BOTH are nearly unbeatable.

proper thread....good stuff G!!!

[Mayabang]

They mostly did it to tag Shane with "slick AA" knowing that Manny would beat Grandpa Shane.

Umm, no Gino, from what I remember, the "Slick AA" label was first used by pachaters because they didnt give Pac credit for his wins because he hasn't beat a "Slick AA" yet.

[SkillspayBills]

Adjustments. If you make them and stick to them you will win. The smarter fighter almost always wins when he uses those smarts fully.

[Gino Ros]

lmaoooo ts tryin hard to be slick and smart

Translation: This thread is over your head.