Why do some fighters NEVER avenge losses?

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  • Mr. Fantastic
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    #31
    I can't believe the GREATEST never rematched Holmes and Brebick or however you spell it.

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    • edgarg
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      #32
      Originally posted by Uncle Bob
      I agree with you Larry, even in my everyday life I can't stand people having one over on me, If i was a pro fighter, a loss would eat away at me, i'd do everything i could to get back in there and turn it around
      Even if your manager said that it wouldn't pay and your promoter said that it wouldn't sell, and your conqueror want's to move on to bigger things, ....what do YOU have to do with the next fight decision anyway? It's the people who are putting up the money who make the decisions because they are paying for it. And if it doesn't make money, they are out of business and who know's how many are depending on them also.

      The WHOLE idea of boxing these days, is NOT to find out who the BEST guy is, but to find out which guy becomes the most popular and MAKES THE MOST MONEY, both for himself, his manager and his promoter. It's the LAS VEGAS influence, in my opinion, go and do where the money is..............

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      • AntDawg
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        #33
        Sometimes it just doesn't make sense. Like look at Khan he has went on to beat much better fighters while the guy who knocked him out had lost 2 fights in a row and beat no one worth mentioning. Its like if he fights and beats him now people will just say hes ducking the better fighters out there.

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          #34
          Originally posted by AntDawg
          Sometimes it just doesn't make sense. Like look at Khan he has went on to beat much better fighters while the guy who knocked him out had lost 2 fights in a row and beat no one worth mentioning. Its like if he fights and beats him now people will just say hes ducking the better fighters out there.
          in khans case theres no excuse dude ****d his ass and is still calling him out...

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            #35
            Originally posted by Mr. Fantastic
            I can't believe the GREATEST never rematched Holmes and Brebick or however you spell it.
            You should be careful how you use that name "THE GREATEST". That was not what he was called when he was fighting, that's what he called HIMSELF, and the boxing writers slowly picked up on it. It was first heard when, after he'd beaten Liston, he was struggling in the arms of his handlers, going absolutely crazy and yelling at the top of his voice, "I am the Greatest".I am the Greatest".

            Nobody believed it and it only became gradually used because his syncophant Bundini Brown always used to feed it to him, along with that sort of "slapstick" routine they used to do in chorus together. Mostly as a gag, but his ego gradually took over.

            ALL, repeat ALL the experts and analysts said during his early career that he lacked much of the basics that a fighter needed to learn, for which he substituted foot speed and reflexes. BUT.....when that began to go, then he'd pay heavily for it. They all said that, it was printed and I have it in at least 2-3 magazines. I can still recall reading a discussion Nat Fleischer was having with some of his top writing staff and several outside analysts about it.

            Fight fans today have never heard of this, nor read about it nor were they there at the time, they just believe what they hear others say, without even knowing why they say it.

            Well we know that those experts were absolutely correct, poor guy.

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              #36
              Originally posted by edgarg
              You should be careful how you use that name "THE GREATEST". That was not what he was called when he was fighting, that's what he called HIMSELF, and the boxing writers slowly picked up on it. It was first heard when, after he'd beaten Liston, he was struggling in the arms of his handlers, going absolutely crazy and yelling at the top of his voice, "I am the Greatest".I am the Greatest".

              Nobody believed it and it only became gradually used because his syncophant Bundini Brown always used to feed it to him, along with that sort of "slapstick" routine they used to do in chorus together. Mostly as a gag, but his ego gradually took over.

              ALL, repeat ALL the experts and analysts said during his early career that he lacked much of the basics that a fighter needed to learn, for which he substituted foot speed and reflexes. BUT.....when that began to go, then he'd pay heavily for it. They all said that, it was printed and I have it in at least 2-3 magazines. I can still recall reading a discussion Nat Fleischer was having with some of his top writing staff and several outside analysts about it.

              Fight fans today have never heard of this, nor read about it nor were they there at the time, they just believe what they hear others say, without even knowing why they say it.

              Well we know that those experts were absolutely correct, poor guy.
              he WAS and is THE GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME

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                #37
                Originally posted by AntDawg
                Sometimes it just doesn't make sense. Like look at Khan he has went on to beat much better fighters while the guy who knocked him out had lost 2 fights in a row and beat no one worth mentioning. Its like if he fights and beats him now people will just say hes ducking the better fighters out there.
                NO you are wrong. That's what EVENTUALLY, and very lately happened, but for a couple of years AFTER that Prescott KO, in fact until he fought Maidana just recently, Khan was VERY carefully matched, and he and his handlers went through a hell of a lot of criticism for avoiding any fighter who had ANY kind of punch. Everyone seems to have FORGOTTEN this, typical fan mentality.

                He was fighting the Malignaggi kind of fighter, and it was VERY obvious that he was not only avoiding a return with Prescott, which would have been a big draw, but was being slowly built up for big money fights, and would take NO risks on the way. So now, through the strictest training and control, he has managed to develop a goodish punch resistance, so is taking on more risk......as long as there is either a title or lots of money involved.

                He's being built up as a BIG attraction, a MEGA fighter.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by LarryX2011
                  in khans case theres no excuse dude ****d his ass and is still calling him out...
                  Yea but dude got his ass whopped already. Why fight a guy that looked like hot garbage against a guy who later got knocked out by Katsidis in 3 rounds. Theres no reason to fight him atm. Unless he fights someone worth mentioning.

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                  • daggum
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                    #39
                    because most guys don't like to take risks and fighting a guy you already lost to is a big risk. the only guys who do want to avenge losses are when its a controversial decision like malignaggi-diaz, hopkins-calzaghe type fights.

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                      #40
                      Well Shane Mosley tried it against Forrest and Wright. Forrest tried it against Mayorga.

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