im wondering what excuses...

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Just to let you know.

Ultimate and I have been Castillo fans for the longest time now.

I'm not saying that Castillo is **** or anything, he's not... He's a good solid pro.

But I just can't get my head around:

Castillo is a better fighter, experience, skillwise, and tough wise than tszyu.

Frankly I dont know if he is as big, i havent looked but Castillo is definitely a better fighter.

After everything that Kostya Tszyu has achieved in boxing.

[Calabrese]

KT is the man. Anyone trying to undermine his accomplishments should go to hell. He is a first ballot HOFer and one of the best jr. welterweights ever imo.

[Run]

I'm not saying that Castillo is **** or anything, he's not... He's a good solid pro.

But I just can't get my head around:


After everything that Kostya Tszyu has achieved in boxing.

What is so hard to understand? Kostya has beaten these noteworthy opponents:

Sharmbra Mitchell

Jesse James Leija---(Leija could not have been more blown/washed up)

Zab Judah---(Lucky punch at best)

Miguel Angel Gonzales

Diobelys Hurtado

Hugo Pineda

Ben Tackie

And that is it. I think that list is decent...but not as impressive as Castillo.



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[Calabrese]

You forgot Miguel Gonzalez, Julio Cesar Chavez, Vince Phillips, and Roger Mayweather.

[Run]

You forgot Ben Tackie, Julio Cesar Chavez, Vince Phillips...

He lost to Vince Phillips by stoppage.....and never rematched him.

Chavez was in his mid eighties



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[Calabrese]

Oh I thought you said he fought those guys. My mistake.

[IwatchBoxing]

KT defended his belts for 18 defenses, thats two less than Bernard Hopkins, not to mention he was in his actual weight, or close to it, unlike Castillo.

[.::|ULTIMATE|::.]

I have to disagree with this completely!

Castillo is nowhere near Kostya Tszyu skillwise or experience wise (He might be a little tougher I'll give you that).

Kostya Tszyu has dominated the light-welterweight division for YEARS! He unifyied the division and beat some excellent fighters in devistating fashion along the way.

In short, Kostya Tszyu is in the list of being one of the greatest fighters of the last 20yrs.

Castillo is a good fighter, but that's all. He's nowhere near Kostya Tszyu in terms of skill, and experience: Kostya Tszyu won the IBF belt in his 14th fight and went on to defend it (whilst collecting others along the way) all around the World for the best part of a decade.

Castillo has never acheived anything near this level of success... In fact most of his biggest fights (Mayweather twice and Corrales 1) he actually lost them.

I know Castillo is the flavour of the month at the moment, but lets not get too carried away.

There are even other active Mexican fighters at the moment that are ranked higher and acheived more than him.

I respect your opinion cus ur a cool cat however,

Saying tsyzu dominated and ruled for a long time is far far away from the truth.

Yeah he won the IBF title from a nobody. He would then go on to beat yet have a lot of trouble against a super old and spent roger mayweather. Then he would get stopped against Vince Phillips who took his belt. He would then have a good run at coulda beens that never were like Rafael Ruelas, hurtado etc. And beat Miguel Angel Gonzalez who could not even beat a old spent chavez. Then he would go and beat an even more spent chavez.

The only guy that really was anything at the time he fought him and is anything right now that he beat was Zab Judah. It was always a tournament of named fighters with tzyu.

Leija
Chavez
Mayweather
Gonzalez
Ruelas

All of them were just big names but they were no longer threats. Like i said the only real threat he faced was Judah and that was in 2001! And Judah was an inexperienced, ****y, prospect at the time.

So... his coming out fight was in 2001. He fought 4 guys since, beat 2 small guys (tackie and Leija) beat One frightened fighter (mitchell). And lost to Hatton who also looked bad against tackie, and had faced relative unknowns.

Ruled or dominated definitely isnt the word.

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Jose Luis Castillo on the otherhand.

Around the same time

He would start in 2001 by giving a beating to and knock out a Prime Cesar Bazan. And he would do it only in 6 rounds. Then he would put his title on the line agaisnt mayweather JR in which many believe he got robbed. Mayweather is the #1 p4p fighter int he world today and the man to beat 140 btw. He would later loose to Mayweather in a rematch but still give him hell. People would right him off, and then he would pull out the upset against Juan Lazcano in a bloddy brutal in which the blood was Mostly lazcano's the avoided man of 135 lbs. He would then beat Joel Casamayor in a close fight with Joel fading out at the end due to body work. Then he would brutalize IBF champ Julio Diaz. Then treat us to back to back fights against Corrales where dished out as good as he got in the first and stopped him in the second.

Castillo has faced the better level of opposition at ring time over and over than tszyu ever did.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

I respect your opinion cus ur a cool cat however,

Saying tsyzu dominated and ruled for a long time is far far away from the truth.

Yeah he won the IBF title from a nobody. He would then go on to beat yet have a lot of trouble against a super old and spent roger mayweather. Then he would get stopped against Vince Phillips who took his belt. He would then have a good run at coulda beens that never were like Rafael Ruelas, hurtado etc. And beat Miguel Angel Gonzalez who could not even beat a old spent chavez. Then he would go and beat an even more spent chavez.

The only guy that really was anything at the time he fought him and is anything right now that he beat was Zab Judah. It was always a tournament of named fighters with tzyu.

Leija
Chavez
Mayweather
Gonzalez
Ruelas

All of them were just big names but they were no longer threats. Like i said the only real threat he faced was Judah and that was in 2001! And Judah was an inexperienced, ****y, prospect at the time.

So... his coming out fight was in 2001. He fought 4 guys since, beat 2 small guys (tackie and Leija) beat One frightened fighter (mitchell). And lost to Hatton who also looked bad against tackie, and had faced relative unknowns.

Ruled or dominated definitely isnt the word.

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Jose Luis Castillo on the otherhand.

Around the same time

He would start in 2001 by giving a beating to and knock out a Prime Cesar Bazan. And he would do it only in 6 rounds. Then he would put his title on the line agaisnt mayweather JR in which many believe he got robbed. Mayweather is the #1 p4p fighter int he world today and the man to beat 140 btw. He would later loose to Mayweather in a rematch but still give him hell. People would right him off, and then he would pull out the upset against Juan Lazcano in a bloddy brutal in which the blood was Mostly lazcano's the avoided man of 135 lbs. He would then beat Joel Casamayor in a close fight with Joel fading out at the end due to body work. Then he would brutalize IBF champ Julio Diaz. Then treat us to back to back fights against Corrales where dished out as good as he got in the first and stopped him in the second.

Castillo has faced the better level of opposition at ring time over and over than tszyu ever did.

Don't worry fella, it'd be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything.

I don't think you can say that fighters like Oktay Urkal, Sharmba Mitchell, Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Diosbelys Hurtado, Ben Tackie, Jesse James Leija, are no good... And in the same breath talk about fighters like Cesar Bazan, Juan Lazcano, Julio Diaz as if they're P4P World beaters.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree... The way I see it, Kostya Tszyu has defended his belts against the best available opponents for nearly a decade but not only that, he beat them in devistating fashion. He unified the division. Castillo has never done this and probably never will.

But back to the original post:

Castillo is a better fighter, experience, skillwise, and tough wise than tszyu.

Frankly I dont know if he is as big, i havent looked but Castillo is definitely a better fighter.

I just don't agree with that at all... Tszyu is such a sweet boxer, and he can do it all. He can fight at different paces, he can play the counter punching game or he can go to war.

Castillo (Although being an excellent fighter) is a little too one dimensional. I don't think he has the full arsenal in the same way as Kostya Tszyu.

[Chet]

Hatton has much much better defence than Castillo. Both have good stamina but Hatton's is a little better. I dont know about punching power, maybe Castillo has a bit more pop. I would say Hatton is faster and Castillo has no experience yet at 140. He might be better at 140 not having to kill himself so much to make weight but you never know. The main factor though is Hatton's defence is so much better than Castillo's.