Joe Calzaghe VS Benn/Watson/Eubank/Collins

[Londonerzz]

Bomber Graham would beat Collins by wide UD and make Collins look bad, and Id pick him to outpoint Watson too. But Eubank had a really really good stiff jab that was too difficult to avoid if he used it,, remember Mccallum beat Graham with an accurate jab (damn close fight i admit) because he couldnt touch him with anything in the early rounds so he just got the jab working, so I think Eubank can grind him down with his stiff jab if he uses it from the start. Benn has a punchers chance against anybody, and Bomber has never had to deal with anybody like Benn,

Herol fought julian jackson who like benn has a huge punch...and knocked herol out. Herol wud beat benn however, and the others except eubank who wud be too classy for him. Calzaghe wud lost to all these guys - watson wud beat him on points, as wud eubank, benn wud knock him out and collins and graham beats him on points as well.....jeez - calzaghe shud have lost to robin reid as well.

[JUYJUY]

Benn offered Graham more and more money to fight him but Graham kept turning him down, this started halfway through 1988 and well into 1989, he kept offering Graham more and more money to fight him.. while his KO record got longer and longer. Graham wouldn't fight Benn, Benn had a 100% KO ratio and was damn frightening. Benn knew that he had to beat Graham to prove that he was the best middleweight in Britain, but Graham wouldn't do it despite being offered tonnes of money. He was scared of Benn at that time.

[Londonerzz]

Benn offered Graham more and more money to fight him but Graham kept turning him down, this started halfway through 1988 and well into 1989, he kept offering Graham more and more money to fight him.. while his KO record got longer and longer. Graham wouldn't fight Benn, Benn had a 100% KO ratio and was damn frightening. Benn knew that he had to beat Graham to prove that he was the best middleweight in Britain, but Graham wouldn't do it despite being offered tonnes of money. He was scared of Benn at that time.

Not surprisng really - this matchup wud do herol no benefit and only give upside to benn's career.....

[JUYJUY]

Not surprisng really - this matchup wud do herol no benefit and only give upside to benn's career.....

But everybody wanted to see it, the exciting attacking slugger with tonnes of punching power against the elusive defensive wizard with zero punching power. It would of been intriguing.

[JUYJUY]

calzaghe shud have lost to robin reid as well.

I think a draw would of been a fair result, and Calzaghe was fighting one-handed.

[Orange Sneakers]

Benn wins by UD,Eubank wins by TKO8(Pre Watson),Watson wins by UD,Collins loses by UD.


Alittle word on Chris Eubank

Eubank was indeed slippery and commanding in 92/93 (apart from Benn rematch) but that was not the best of Eubank,the reason it was not Eubank at his best is because even though he looked good at times he would often be spending two mins of each round strutting or posing. He would also just give away the last three rounds or so because he was content to only do just enough to keep his championship. Eubank was never the same Post Watson,he struggled to have any focussed aggression after that and ofcourse lost all his finishing instinct.

Eubank was at his best Pre Watson when he was a quality puncher and excellent finisher.

Eubank spent six weeks sparring with Herol Graham early in 1990 and Herol said that Eubank was the best he had ever come up against (Eubank said the same about Herol). Eubanks International fights against future world title contenders Corti and Milo were immaculate,immense,impeccable performances where he was very comfortable in there and still managed to get in plenty of showmanship. It was a fantastic championship win against Benn where he ofcourse proved to everybody that he could 'step up' with that win.
Dan Sherry was a commonwealth games gold medalist in 86 and only lost to RJJ at the 88 olympic games (nothing to be ashamed of),he was a Canadian prospect who was 17-0-0 at the time of fighting Eubank and had never been troubled. Eubank schooled him.
Gary Stretch came along as an unknown amateur and knocked out 67-0 George Collins(who was a better prospect than Amir Khan and Kevin Mitchell put together),Stretch was always the guy who people said could be the best fighter in britain if he didnt care for his modelling career more than his boxing career. Eubank schooled him.
When Eubank was 66-55 up at the halfway point against Michael Watson when defending his world middleweight title,he was definately the best middleweight in the world at that point and a potential fighter of the decade. The outcome of the rematch with Watson though wrecked not just Watson but Eubank too.

Having said that,Eubank still had a decent career with good wins over worldclass Sugarboy Malinga and worldclass Tony Thornton. Americans Johnny Jarvis and Ronnie Essett were also world title contenders elsewhere. I think Eubanks best career wins Post Watson were against former IBF supermiddle champs Lindell Holmes and Graciano Rocchigiani who were Emanuel Stewards boys,and also the counterpunching clinic on Henry Wharton. When Eubank beat Holmes he became 35-0-0 (Steward said afterwards "Chris has the most terrific stiff jab I've seen over the last 30 years"). When Eubank beat Rocky in Germany,Rocky was 35-0 before that. When Eubank beat Wharton,he became undefeated in 43 fights. Then,he was robbed at Millstreet after those disgraceful mind games in a fluke loss. But he went out in style against Thompson.

Great fighter,he was the greatest showman atleast.

[JUYJUY]

Benn wins by UD,Eubank wins by TKO8(Pre Watson),Watson wins by UD,Collins loses by UD.


Alittle word on Chris Eubank

Eubank was indeed slippery and commanding in 92/93 (apart from Benn rematch) but that was not the best of Eubank,the reason it was not Eubank at his best is because even though he looked good at times he would often be spending two mins of each round strutting or posing. He would also just give away the last three rounds or so because he was content to only do just enough to keep his championship. Eubank was never the same Post Watson,he struggled to have any focussed aggression after that and ofcourse lost all his finishing instinct.

Eubank was at his best Pre Watson when he was a quality puncher and excellent finisher.

Eubank spent six weeks sparring with Herol Graham early in 1990 and Herol said that Eubank was the best he had ever come up against (Eubank said the same about Herol). Eubanks International fights against future world title contenders Corti and Milo were immaculate,immense,impeccable performances where he was very comfortable in there and still managed to get in plenty of showmanship. It was a fantastic championship win against Benn where he ofcourse proved to everybody that he could 'step up' with that win.
Dan Sherry was a commonwealth games gold medalist in 86 and only lost to RJJ at the 88 olympic games (nothing to be ashamed of),he was a Canadian prospect who was 17-0-0 at the time of fighting Eubank and had never been troubled. Eubank schooled him.
Gary Stretch came along as an unknown amateur and knocked out 67-0 George Collins(who was a better prospect than Amir Khan and Kevin Mitchell put together),Stretch was always the guy who people said could be the best fighter in britain if he didnt care for his modelling career more than his boxing career. Eubank schooled him.
When Eubank was 66-55 up at the halfway point against Michael Watson when defending his world middleweight title,he was definately the best middleweight in the world at that point and a potential fighter of the decade. The outcome of the rematch with Watson though wrecked not just Watson but Eubank too.

Having said that,Eubank still had a decent career with good wins over worldclass Sugarboy Malinga and worldclass Tony Thornton. Americans Johnny Jarvis and Ronnie Essett were also world title contenders elsewhere. I think Eubanks best career wins Post Watson were against former IBF supermiddle champs Lindell Holmes and Graciano Rocchigiani who were Emanuel Stewards boys,and also the counterpunching clinic on Henry Wharton. When Eubank beat Holmes he became 35-0-0 (Steward said afterwards "Chris has the most terrific stiff jab I've seen over the last 30 years"). When Eubank beat Rocky in Germany,Rocky was 35-0 before that. When Eubank beat Wharton,he became undefeated in 43 fights. Then,he was robbed at Millstreet after those disgraceful mind games in a fluke loss. But he went out in style against Thompson.

Great fighter,he was the greatest showman atleast.

I LOVE Manny Steward, I find that he praises all my favourite fighters. ****ing top guy.

And I totally agree with you about Eubank, Pre-Watson he could of stopped anybody (and Roy Jones is anybody).

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

How would the Calzaghe that fought Eubank(past prime), Brewer and Mitchell do against Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank(prime), Michael Watson and Steve Collins at their bests,?

I think Calzaghe would have lost to Eubank and Benn, but I think he would have beaten Watson and Collins.

[Orange Sneakers]

Oh and by the way I think Herol Graham beats all of those guys by UD on his best day,with the possible exception of Pre Watson Eubank.

[JUYJUY]

Oh and by the way I think Herol Graham beats all of those guys by UD on his best day,with the possible exception of Pre Watson Eubank.

86 Graham beats 86 Hagler in my opinion, but you can't hide away from the fact that he was too scared to fight Benn in 1988/89 when Benn was putting guys in hospital.