Is Vitali the Toughest Fighter in America?

[masterdirector]

So GranTorino, let's get this straight. You're PMing me saying I am not backing up my arguments.

Ruiz is tougher? Jesus, man, quit sniffing the glue already. Let me recall something for a moment. Oh yea, Vitali took Corrie Sanders' monster left, as well as Lennox's best punches and kept coming. Wlad took the best shot Sam Peter had and kept coming. Yet Ruis has been floored by a blown up middleweight, and a shot assed Golota. Oh yea, Ruiz is reeeeaaaallly tough.

So you're basically saying Vitali is tough despite the fact that he quit. So you think quitting is a sign of toughness. Vitali struggled with a 38 year old man already thinking about his golf game? Wait, make that two 38 year old men. Rahman knocked Lewis out in 4 in their first match. Lewis was in at least as bad of shape when he fought Vitali, but Vitali couldn't knock Lewis down, let alone out. And Lewis stopped Vitali, kept him from quitting or going out on his back.

Then you try saying Wladimir is tough? LMAO!!! 38 year old BUM Corrie Sanders knocks him out and he's tough? Lamon Brewster? Ha! Ross Purrity?! And Peter knocked Wlad down basically every time he landed a flush punch. That's tough? We have opposite definitions of tough.

And you're kidding yourself if you think I'm going to sit here defending John Ruiz. I was merely pointing out that he's at least as tough as either Klitschko, which isn't saying a hell of a lot.

Look at that picture in my last post. You're saying those are two tough guys eh? Okay, that's your opinion, man.

And they say theres no such thing as a wrong opinion...

[okay now's your chance to "zing" me by saying "Yeah, and YOUR opinion is the WRONG one! So ha!" Come on, you know you want to say it.]

[masterdirector]

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[Kid Achilles]

Vitali has shown more consistent physical resilience than any other contender. He has weathered the very best of both Lennox Lewis and Corrie Sanders, the two best punchers in recent memory.

I won't hold the Byrd match against him as for one it was years ago, and two he had a legitimate injury in the fight that could have ended his career if he fought on with it. After seeing him in there with Lewis, I don't think I could ever challenge his bravery personally.

I don't know if he is the toughest American fighter, but certainly the toughest American heavyweight.

[j]

i agree that he is at the very least among the top of toughest heavyweights.

pretty sad that some people still hold that loss to chris byrd against him despite the toughness he has shown in the lewis fight.

masterdirector - do you have a ring record? or have been trained in a fighting art?

[masterdirector]

Vitali is one of the top heavyweights, not one of the toughest. There's a difference. Tough guys don't duck opponents. Tough guys don't quit. Tough guys don't make up bogus injuries. Tough guys don't pose naked and hold their brothers' ****.

Vitali Klitschko is a top heavyweight, but not a tough guy.

[GranTorino]

So GranTorino, let's get this straight. You're PMing me saying I am not backing up my arguments.



So you're basically saying Vitali is tough despite the fact that he quit. So you think quitting is a sign of toughness. Vitali struggled with a 38 year old man already thinking about his golf game? Wait, make that two 38 year old men. Rahman knocked Lewis out in 4 in their first match. Lewis was in at least as bad of shape when he fought Vitali, but Vitali couldn't knock Lewis down, let alone out. And Lewis stopped Vitali, kept him from quitting or going out on his back.

Then you try saying Wladimir is tough? LMAO!!! 38 year old BUM Corrie Sanders knocks him out and he's tough? Lamon Brewster? Ha! Ross Purrity?! And Peter knocked Wlad down basically every time he landed a flush punch. That's tough? We have opposite definitions of tough.

And you're kidding yourself if you think I'm going to sit here defending John Ruiz. I was merely pointing out that he's at least as tough as either Klitschko, which isn't saying a hell of a lot.

Look at that picture in my last post. You're saying those are two tough guys eh? Okay, that's your opinion, man.

And they say theres no such thing as a wrong opinion...

[okay now's your chance to "zing" me by saying "Yeah, and YOUR opinion is the WRONG one! So ha!" Come on, you know you want to say it.]

Sorry for taking so long to respond. Work got busy

Okay, you bring up some valid points, and in an intelligent manner, so okay, lets discuss.

Do I think that Vitali's quitting against Byrd was a sign of toughness? Of course. Both mentally and physically. As I understand it, he had a torn rotator cuff, which is pretty damn painful. So deciding to add an "L" to his record, tough choice as it was, was also the right thing to do. To continue to fight while injured is just assinine. You would have to be ******, not tough, to do it. So not only was it toughness, it was intelligence.

Vitali struggled with Sanders? I seem to recall the fight being stopped because Vitali was handing a very dangerous puncher his ass. Yes, he did get hit, that tends to happen in boxing matches.

And as far as Lewis goes, I cant take the win from him. It was legit. The TKO was fair, and I would have stopped it as well if I were the ref. But why do you think Lewis' own fans were booing him at the end of the fight? Becuase Vitali was ahead on all the scorecards at the time of the stoppage, just like with Byrd.

As far as Wladimir's toughness goes, that criticism, to me, is unwarranted. 2 of the Peter KD's were not legit, as I've already covered, and the Williamson KD was a flash KD. Simple.

As far as the picture goes..Well, what can I say? They are from a different culture. European standards of art are obviously different. They tend to be more open minded than Americans do. In my opinion, the pic means nothing. It's art. And I think you know that and just wanted to use it to help smear them. Stop it. You're obviously more intelligent than to have to resort to that. You can argue your point without it.

[j]

so you don't have a ring record of have been trained in any fighting arts?

[Leo Pradun]

Do you mean the toughest to beat? I would agree with that.

But Vitali would not be standing after the shots that Wlad hit Peter or Brewster with.

watch Vitali vs Lewis and Vitali vs Sanders and then come in here with that **** buddy????
Sanders was a much faster and harder puncher then Brewster is or ever will be.....

[jabsRstiff]

In case you Klitschko fans (supposed boxing fans) hadn't noticed....there was a fight this weekend between two of the best, most exciting fighters in the world. Oh yeah, it was a rematch of the best damn fight in a long time, also.

But.....that doesn't interest you, does it ?

[masterdirector]

Sorry for taking so long to respond. Work got busy

Okay, you bring up some valid points, and in an intelligent manner, so okay, lets discuss.

Do I think that Vitali's quitting against Byrd was a sign of toughness? Of course. Both mentally and physically. As I understand it, he had a torn rotator cuff, which is pretty damn painful. So deciding to add an "L" to his record, tough choice as it was, was also the right thing to do. To continue to fight while injured is just assinine. You would have to be ******, not tough, to do it. So not only was it toughness, it was intelligence.

Vitali struggled with Sanders? I seem to recall the fight being stopped because Vitali was handing a very dangerous puncher his ass. Yes, he did get hit, that tends to happen in boxing matches.

And as far as Lewis goes, I cant take the win from him. It was legit. The TKO was fair, and I would have stopped it as well if I were the ref. But why do you think Lewis' own fans were booing him at the end of the fight? Becuase Vitali was ahead on all the scorecards at the time of the stoppage, just like with Byrd.

As far as Wladimir's toughness goes, that criticism, to me, is unwarranted. 2 of the Peter KD's were not legit, as I've already covered, and the Williamson KD was a flash KD. Simple.

As far as the picture goes..Well, what can I say? They are from a different culture. European standards of art are obviously different. They tend to be more open minded than Americans do. In my opinion, the pic means nothing. It's art. And I think you know that and just wanted to use it to help smear them. Stop it. You're obviously more intelligent than to have to resort to that. You can argue your point without it.

Vitali had 3 rounds left and was beating Byrd. You're seriously telling me he was that worried about never fighting again? I don't buy it. He has no heart. Without heart, you're not tough. You call it intelligent to quit a fight that you're easily winning when you've gone 10 rounds with 2 more to go? I call that ****** as hell. He could've stayed away from the 215 lb Byrd for 2-3 rounds easily. He's much taller and Byrd isn't exactly Mr. aggressive, or Mr. Power, he knew that. He was cowardly, not tough.

Sanders SUCKS!! Man, Sanders f'n sucks completely. You're making yourself look silly by even trying to mention Sanders in good light. Sanders was fast? Yeah, maybe for the Klitschkos. Tubbs knocked him out in 2. And not the good Tubbs, if you can call Tony Tubbs good. It was Nate, the lesser of the Tubbs'. Sanders' best win was what, f'n Al Cole? Come on man. His 2nd best win was probably Otis Tisdale. This guy knocked out Wladimir in 2. And he wasn't Mr. Speed like you said. Vitali got hit because he doesn't have too good of skill and he's pretty slow. Vitali had a back and forth fight with Sanders, closer than it should've been for a guy the caliber of Corrie Sanders. Say he even dominated Sanders though, okay fine whatever.

Then Vitali is set to fight Rahman, but gets the fight postponed twice for some really well-timed injuries. And then he starts talking about fighting people other than Rahman. Remember, Finkel was trying to find an easy opponent for Vitali? They tried getting the green Calvin Brock. Maskaev. It wasn't until the WBC officially ordered Vitali to fight Rahman and made Rahman the interim WBC champ that Vitali finally said "ah crap, now I have no choice." so then he suddenly started talking like he wanted to fight Rahman.

Ducking fighters is not tough. Rahman is one of the best opponents. Vitali hasn't fought a good opponent since Lennox. Fat Kirk Johnson, who obviously didn't prepare a bit. Retirement minded Corrie Sanders, and Buster Douglas-Millineum Edition: Danny Williams. So why would he try fighting Maskaev instead of Rahman? Come on, that isn't tough.