Freddie Roach explaining his cherry picking and catchweights

[bballchump11]

Agree with that. By the way I miss Meldrick Taylor , he was a beast before the Chavez fight. I love his footsteep and handspeed. This Guy would kill so many fighters today @140 ,147. God bless him.

Yeah man I miss Meldrick. I would get memorized by how quick he was moving. His hands will be just blurs moving in the air

[Pacquiao'd]

bump for the tards

[straightleft]

I don't even class the Cotto fight as legit because of the catchweight. Same for the May vs Marquez fight.

Yeah because Pac was the one who invented the catchweight fights when he fought Cotto but Floyd OST was here already since day 1 of pro boxing and everbody took the test. Those poeple who spreading rumors that nobody took Floyd OST except himself in his own fights are just pure haters and liars!

[Pacquiao'd]

bump.......................

[Bushbaby]

Well there was 1 ******* brave enough to come in here & post nonsense as usual.

[Fighting Pride]

He also says they would like the Mayweather fight(when he was retired), but they do claim they want to fight the best, but then he goes on to say that they want to fight Mayweather at a catchweight below 147 because they want to take a little something from Floyd at 6:20.

Exactly what Floyd wanted to do to Winky when they were negotiating to fight. He wanted to drain Winky by having a rehydration clause limiting Wright to weighing no more than 157 on the day of the fight.
http://forums.projectcovo.com/showth...=606314&page=3
That killed the Winky-Mayweather fight, and Mayweather then chose to fight an old and shot 140lber Sharmba Mitchell instead. And you want to call Pac a cherry picker?

You know catchweights didn't start with Manny Pacquiao, who had moved up more divisions when he had his catchweights than everyone else who'd ever demanded one. Smaller fighters with negotiating power have often done this to ensure they aren't physically outmatched and a more level playing field. Chavez did the same to Whitaker, Oscar to Hopkins, Leonard to Lalonde/Duran/Hearns, Taylor to Norris, and many more examples throughout history. This explains the logic behind what Roach said about Margarito, who was a monster of a welter, and Pac essentially a small JWW at that time who'd had one fight at welter by jumping two divisions as a super-feather/lightweight against Oscar, who everyone said was shot and weak at the weight after the fight.

This is all from around the De La Hoya fight, Pac was not a welter and had just moved up there for the Oscar fight where he weighed in at 142, 5lbs below the limit and in his next fight weighed just 138 against Hatton.

Everyone knows the situation of that fight and how Oscar tried to cherry pick a small fighter 3-4 divisions below him who he was expected to crush. If Roach was confident in his fighter having trained Oscar, no-one else called it, so it speaks more on Roach's genius (I remember everyone thinking he was trying to cash out on Pac for allowing him to take the De La Hoya fight). Reality is nobody cherry picked Oscar, he hand picked every single one of his opponents when he had control of his career. Pacquiao even pulled out of the fight his team wasn't satisfied the 70-30 split and career-high payday was sufficient for the magnitude of the risk of taking the fight (everyone thought Pac could take a career ending beating). This would not suggest they were as sure and confident they'd whoop Oscar as Roach is saying there.

As for Pac's opponents after that, Hatton was definately no cherry pick, coming off an impressive and powerful performance against the #1 contender, in the division he'd never been beaten at.

Cotto was not a cherry pick, he's too good for that, Mosley was the only other option, Cotto had a recent win over him, was much younger and more prime.

Clottey is not a fighter anybody cherry picks. He'd fought the best and given tough fights to all of them, where they'd all been heavily criticised after he fought them, he made them look that bad.

Timing of the Margarito fight wasn't the best, but atleast he fought him, and giving up 17 lbs to him in the fight. It was supposed to be at 147, but they agreed to have it @150 so they could fight for a JMW belt (alot more than the 143 Roach wanted back then). It was a JWW fighting a jr middleweight by the time of the fight. If anyone else had done that, they'd be praised beyond end for the risk they took.

Mosley was the only clear cherry pick. It was a money fight, and Pac paid for it with the backlash after it when Mosley offered no resistence other than to run after tasting Pac's power.

The Marquez fight is the logical conclusion to their trilogy, Marquez has the style which has troubled Pac both occasions they fought. Pac wasn't ever going to outweigh Marquez by much in the fight and he agreed to Marquez's catchweight to make it certain he won't. Marquez's effectiveness will depend on how he can deal with Pac's increased strength not draining himself to make weight. If he can, it should be a hell of a fight.

As a fan, I'm happy with how Pac's career has progressed since moving up. Mayweather is really the only fight he's missed, hopefully that happens next year and all doubters and haters are finally STFU.

[BoxingGenius27]

One thing I give Roach credit for is his honesty. Sometimes a little to honest for his own good, but he's honest.

That said, what's really left to say? Pac fans heard this interview loud and clear. But this isn't something they didn't already know. They just don't care, that's the problem.

[BoxingGenius27]

Exactly what Floyd wanted to do to Winky when they were negotiating to fight. He wanted to drain Winky by having a rehydration clause limiting Wright to weighing no more than 157 on the day of the fight.
http://forums.projectcovo.com/showth...=606314&page=3
That killed the Winky-Mayweather fight, and Mayweather then chose to fight an old and shot 140lber Sharmba Mitchell instead. And you want to call Pac a cherry picker?

You know catchweights didn't start with Manny Pacquiao, who had moved up more divisions when he had his catchweights than everyone else who'd ever demanded one. Smaller fighters with negotiating power have often done this to ensure they aren't physically outmatched and a more level playing field. Chavez did the same to Whitaker, Oscar to Hopkins, Leonard to Lalonde/Duran/Hearns, Taylor to Norris, and many more examples throughout history. This explains the logic behind what Roach said about Margarito, who was a monster of a welter, and Pac essentially a small JWW at that time who'd had one fight at welter by jumping two divisions as a super-feather/lightweight against Oscar, who everyone said was shot and weak at the weight after the fight.

This is all from around the De La Hoya fight, Pac was not a welter and had just moved up there for the Oscar fight where he weighed in at 142, 5lbs below the limit and in his next fight weighed just 138 against Hatton.

Everyone knows the situation of that fight and how Oscar tried to cherry pick a small fighter 3-4 divisions below him who he was expected to crush. If Roach was confident in his fighter having trained Oscar, no-one else called it, so it speaks more on Roach's genius (I remember everyone thinking he was trying to cash out on Pac for allowing him to take the De La Hoya fight). Reality is nobody cherry picked Oscar, he hand picked every single one of his opponents when he had control of his career.

As for Pac's opponents after that, Hatton was definately no cherry pick, coming off an impressive and powerful performance against the #1 contender, in the division he'd never been beaten at.

Cotto was not a cherry pick, he's too good for that, Mosley was the only other option, Cotto had a recent win over him, was much younger and more prime.

Clottey is not a fighter anybody cherry picks. He'd fought the best and given tough fights to all of them, where they'd all been heavily criticised after he fought them, he made them look that bad.

Timing of the Margarito fight wasn't the best, but atleast he fought him, and giving up 17 lbs to him in the fight. It was supposed to be at 147, but they agreed to have it @150 so they could fight for a JMW belt (alot more than the 143 Roach wanted back then). It was a JWW fighting a jr middleweight by the time of the fight. If anyone else had done that, they'd be praised beyond end for the risk they took.

Mosley was the only clear cherry pick. It was a money fight, and Pac paid for it with the backlash after it when Mosley offered no resistence other than to run after tasting Pac's power.

The Marquez fight is the logical conclusion to their trilogy, Marquez has the style which has troubled Pac both occasions they fought. Pac wasn't ever going to outweigh Marquez by much in the fight and he agreed to Marquez's catchweight to make it certain he won't. Marquez's effectiveness will depend on how he can deal with Pac's increased strength not draining himself to make weight. If he can, it should be a hell of a fight.

As a fan, I'm happy with how Pac's career has progressed since moving up. Mayweather is really the only fight he's missed, hopefully that happens next year and all doubters and haters are finally STFU.

This is gonna be quick and painless.

1. You're saying since Pac isn't the first to make catchweight fights, that makes it right?

2. I disagree with you on so many levels regarding your assessment of Pac vs Cotto, Marg, and Hatton and the time the fights took place. I just don't know where to start.

3. If you notice, the fighters you mentioned that tried to have catchweights were all either destroyed by the "bigger" opponents or struggled to win. This is why so many people believe PEDs are an issue.

I could really get deep and technical right now, but I'm trying to be as short as possible.

[Pacquiao'd]

One thing I give Roach credit for is his honesty. Sometimes a little to honest for his own good, but he's honest.

That said, what's really left to say? Pac fans heard this interview loud and clear. But this isn't something they didn't already know. They just don't care, that's the problem.

i dont think he means to be. its his ego that exposes them bc he wants to show how right he is but i dont think he realizes he exposes them at the same time

[RL_GMA]

Both Pacquiao and Mayweather have strategically taken fights that they're favored in and have advantages in. I like both guys, but let's be real, you can make a case for both guys cherry picking guys once they reached the top. Even this year both guys are in the same predicament where one guy is heavily favored over the other, but the picture is painted well enough to get people excited to watch the fights, no matter how much people at this moment will deny it.

Difference with me is, I don't complain about it everyday like a kid who lost his lunchbox.