Comments Thread For: Ariza Defends Khan: Mayweather, a Failure as a Trainer!

[switchsouthpaw]

What would you like him to know? Electrical Engineering? Social Sciences? Aerospace Science, Land navigation? He has mastered his profession what more do you want? Football players know football, basketball players know basketball, soccer players know soccer, Electrical Engineers know engineering, english teachers know english... If its your profession then you should be well rounded in it which he is? And that means since Ariza has been around the same guy for 15 years all he knows is that trainer. So you just killed your argument. Plato knew philosophy, but I guess he is a dummy too since that is what he mastered.

I'm not even sure to where to begin, as you cited examples that are all over the place. Firstly, Ariza is an expert in a few different areas, such as nutrition and exercise science, of which he can speak on intelligently. Mayweather is proficient as it relates to boxing specifically, not supplementation and/or steroids, of which he speaks on quite often, hence the subject of this thread. Can you spot the difference? Mayweather isn't speaking on how to properly throw a punch or defense, he's speaking on steroids, of which his knowledge is limited and that's the key difference. I never said Ariza was around the same guy for 15 years (Roach). He's got the aptitude to pick up the sport, just like Roach learned it from Futch.

Actually many athletes have knowledge in other areas that supplant their given sport, i.e Grant Hill, Jalen Rose among a slew of many others.

[switchsouthpaw]

Hey Switch! Long time, no see.

Don't waste your time with a guy who says "Alex hasn't done anything that Roger hasn't also achieved. True Story."
Gino Ros tells stories, but they usually aren't a "true story". He will spin anything against anyone near or around Manny Pacquiao. THAT'S a true story.

Hey Lorily, hope all is well.

I mostly lurk now, rather than post daily. I really don't take any of these guys seriously.

[Saucy serg]

I'd b koo with just floyd y would I wanna train some 1 else plus doesn't he train jesse vargas nd the 8 year old boy I think his name is "cash flow" diaz he going to b something when he gets older

[texasboi15]

amir went to roger?! i did not know this. i wish he would have stayed. i wish chad dawson would have stayed with floyd sr. too. i think sr. could also be the solution for paul williams. he or emanuel steward.

[eklok]

thats some serious diss right there , owned

[Allmenjoi8]

I'm not even sure to where to begin, as you cited examples that are all over the place. Firstly, Ariza is an expert in a few different areas, such as nutrition and exercise science, of which he can speak on intelligently. Mayweather is proficient as it relates to boxing specifically, not supplementation and/or steroids, of which he speaks on quite often, hence the subject of this thread. Can you spot the difference? Mayweather isn't speaking on how to properly throw a punch or defense, he's speaking on steroids, of which his knowledge is limited and that's the key difference. I never said Ariza was around the same guy for 15 years (Roach). He's got the aptitude to pick up the sport, just like Roach learned it from Futch.

Actually many athletes have knowledge in other areas that supplant their given sport, i.e Grant Hill, Jalen Rose among a slew of many others.

So argument is if you are not an expect on something then you should not speak about it?
I am not an expert on steroids but I speak about it all the time. I know the very basics of steroids. I think Mayweather does know about nutrients. If he trains boxers or just a boxer he should know how to get them in shape and what they should be eating and not be eating and taking and not taking. It does not take a degree to know that. Two...Teddy Atlas is not a nutritionist and he speaks about steroids should he shut too? Um Congress speaks about steroids and I do not think they are experts on it which is why they have experts come and tell them about steroids. I do not know much about economics but I do know that our economy is messed up. And from the last time I checked a trainer knows everything that goes on with their fighter or am I wrong? And what makes you think Mayweather does not know about steroids or supplements? Because he doesn't speak the way Ariza does, because he does not say the correct verbiage? Yawl are a trip... That is a weak weak weak argument. And Ariza trains a boxer who does not even know what a steroid looks like, he is a congressman of a country but he has no idea what a steroid looks like. So how could Manny tell the difference between a vitamin and a steroid? So Ariza could give him anything and Manny would not know but he wants to talk about someone's educational back round? Assuming someone does not know anything of other than boxing which is a wide spectrum does not mean they do not. Until someone ask Roger or any of the Mayweathers Pointed questions about steroids and the kinds there are, please keep the perception of they know nothing about steroids or anything else to a minimum.

[switchsouthpaw]

So argument is if you are not an expect on something then you should not speak about it?
I am not an expert on steroids but I speak about it all the time. I think Mayweather does not about nutrients. If he trains boxers or just a boxer he should know how to get them in shape and what they should be eating and not be eating. It does not take a degree to know that. Two...Teddy Atlas is not a nutrient and he speaks about steroids should he shut too? Um Congress speaks about steroids and I do not think they are experts on it which is why they have experts come and tell them about steroids. I do not know much about economics but I do know that our economy is messed up. And from the last time I checked a trainer knows everything that goes on with their fighter or am I not. And what makes you think Mayweather does not know about steroids or supplements? Because he doesn't speak the way Ariza does, because he does not say the correct verbiage? Yawl are a trip... That is a weak weak weak argument. And Ariza trains a boxer who does not even know what a steroid looks like, he is a congressman of a country but he has no idea what a steroid looks like. So how could Manny tell the difference between a vitamin and a steroid? So Ariza could give him anything

Congress also commissions experts on the subject of PEDs. And if a person expounds on a subject for which they have a limited understanding, in the real world, those people are ignored. You could be a high school graduate who talks about the state of the economy all day, try to see how far that gets you if you're looking to land a job at a financial institution.

When Roger Clemens appears before a committee, he'll be met with experts in the field of PEDs, not high school graduates with "an opinion". Again, to further my point, Ariza is an expert in a few different areas of nutrition and exercise science, courtesy of receiving an education. He can also be taught about how to train simply by observation, whereas you couldn't say the same for Mayweather regarding learning what Ariza knows, because Roger doesn't have the acumen to do so. Manny as a congressman isn't offering an opinion in the field of steroids, SO AGAIN YOUR EXAMPLE IS FLAWED. The point is everyone has an opinion, 90% of the time, they are wrong. The other 10% is called getting lucky.

[Allmenjoi8]

Congress also commissions experts on the subject of PEDs. And if a person expounds on a subject for which they have a limited understanding, in the real world, those people are ignored. You could be a high school graduate who talks about the state of the economy all day, try to see how far that gets you if you're looking to land a job at a financial institution.

When Roger Clemens appears before a committee, he'll be met with experts in the field of PEDs, not high school graduates with "an opinion". Again, to further my point, Ariza is an expert in a few different areas of nutrition and exercise science, courtesy of receiving an education. He can also be taught about how to train simply by observation, whereas you couldn't say the same for Mayweather regarding learning what Ariza knows, because Roger doesn't have the acumen to do so. Manny as a congressman isn't offering an opinion in the field of steroids, SO AGAIN YOUR EXAMPLE IS FLAWED. The point is everyone has an opinion, 90% of the time, they are wrong. The other 10% is called getting lucky.

Because Ariza has a degree makes him an expert of nutrients, and because he has observed Roach for 15 years he can be a class A trainer? Having a degree I can tell you right now, it means 0. All it means is you met the requirements of a University curriculum and you passed some test. Because Roger does not have a piece paper saying that he knows about nutrients makes him a **** for even talk about it? yet his profession that he has been in since day 1 is interlined with nutrients and supplements. What college did Lance Armstrong go to? he didn't. But because he does not have a degree in Medicine or nutrients he can not talk to kids about how eating healthy and exercising helped him beat his cancer. You can read the same books that they do in college, talk to same people and have the same knowledge. Do hate on someone because they did not go the traditional route to have knowledge in. By the way, you know the quickest way a company hires someone: experience, most college grads do not have that. So they rather take the non degree person who has experience over the person with the paper saying that they should know what they are doing, trust me, I know from first hand experience. Ariza is a joke

[texasboi15]

alright everybody, lets be serious for a second. roger suffers from dementia pugilistica (punch drunk syndrome). this is a fact alright. for those who aren't insightful enough to recognize this, go back and watch one of his old fights and listen to him speak. thus roger can't always be held accountable for everything he says or how he says them. i doubt even floyd seeks his uncle's advice or boxing IQ as much as he does just a workout. its a medical condition that many former boxers suffer from.

[Allmenjoi8]

alright everybody, lets be serious for a second. roger suffers from dementia pugilistica (punch drunk syndrome). this is a fact alright. for those who aren't insightful enough to recognize this, go back and watch one of his old fights and listen to him speak. thus roger can't always be held accountable for everything he says or how he says them. i doubt even floyd seeks his uncle's advice or boxing IQ as much as he does just a workout. its a medical condition that many former boxers suffer from.

Freddy Roach has Parkinson's so does that mean Manny should not listen to him? Now you are saying Roger does not have an IQ in boxing because he is punch drunk? Really? So I guess Floyd is a one man show and really he does not need his uncle which is why he refuses to train with anyone else because his uncle knows **** about boxing and he is only good for a workout. I will keep that in mind. 41-0 speaks for itself. Roach has Parkinson's which can lead to memory loss and other damages and he is the greatest in the world but because Roger acts a certain way he is to be blown off. Nice