How often do boxers bounce back from devastating losses?

[Cleaver]

Hi guys, this is my first posted thread. I don't consider myself any type of boxing expert, just a fan and student of the game.

I'm looking for betting value on the Murray/Mitchell domestic dust up this weekend, and after studying their professional records, all the youtube fights I could find, considering their styles, and avoiding all pre hype buildup, the only sticking point I can find (not based on who I think will win, but betting value) is whether Mitchell has recovered from what must have been a loss of confidence from the Katsidis blowout at Upton.

As an experienced gambler in other betting fields, the price of 6/1 for Mitchell when compared to 11/8 for Murray for the KO/TKO/DQ seems far too big of a gap given their KO records.

To my point

How much of an effect (in boxing terms) do these devastating losses have on these fighters, and do they tend to do well when they don't take tuneup fights? Khan took on ***an for confidence, as I felt Hatton did with Lazcano, before they went on to fight tougher opponents. But on the flipside De La Hoya took on Mayorga after Hopkins.

Is Khan the modern day exception to bounce back so well from a brutal KO? I don't have a good enough knowledge of the global boxing scene to make an educated opinion on it, so I leave it in your expert hands

[JDezi4]

Victor Ortiz is the best of recent years. Assuming he learned his lesson, and will no longer back up and try (and fail) to box.

Its not too common, mainly becuz a lot of fighters (especially as of late) were really just overhyped to begin with

Oh, KHAN... forgot about him. He's probably the best example

[jri9d0]

Honestly man that’s hard to answer, it really depends on the fighters themselves. Pac early in his career has been KO’d and bounced backed remarkably, Fernando Vargas on the other hand was ruined after Tito!

[Medved]

Kevin Mitchell Opponents Records: 429 Wins - 341 loses = 20.50% Winning %
He has 13 Wins against guys with LOSING records.

John Murray Opponents Records: 446 Wins - 682 Loses = -52.9% Winning % (LOL more like losing %)

12 Wins against guys with losing records.

So if you getting 6 to 1 odds that Mitchell will win? Those are great odds, this fight should be a 50/50 fight, both their records are complete crap but the Loss on Mitchell's record is better than anything on Murray's

[BostonGuy]

Sometimes a loss is a good thing for a fighter. It humbles them, and forces them to focus on their flaws. Wladimir Klitschko comes to mind. He had back to back devastating KO losses and he had to do some introspection but ultimately he bounced back and now he's damn near unbeatable. He rededicated and reinvented himself..

[Ogecca MaMa]

Victor Ortiz is the best of recent years. Assuming he learned his lesson, and will no longer back up and try (and fail) to box.

[Cleaver]

Cheers for the responses lads, totally overlooked Klitschko and Ortiz (I've watched the HBO highlights of the latter, and it seems like he's been in some wars).

So if you getting 6 to 1 odds that Mitchell will win? Those are great odds, this fight should be a 50/50 fight, both their records are complete crap but the Loss on Mitchell's record is better than anything on Murray's

Not exactly, the 6/1 odds are on the KO/TKO/DQ, so if its going to points it would be a losing bet, the best I've found on the high street bookies in England for a Decision win (Mitchell) is 7/2. Looking at both their records (and I know these fighters come up against some crap early in their career), Mitchell has the higher KO count (23) to Murray's 18. So that price of 6/1 seems like it should be closer to 3/1-7/2, whether it pays off is irrelevant, key to ******** is to look for value and bet accordingly.

My strategy in betting is to heavily study a market and look for genuine value, so theoretically in the long run you win because you find the best prices. And I have been pulling a very good profit when sticking to these rules!

[Medved]

Cheers for the responses lads, totally overlooked Klitschko and Ortiz (I've watched the HBO highlights of the latter, and it seems like he's been in some wars).



Not exactly, the 6/1 odds are on the KO/TKO/DQ, so if its going to points it would be a losing bet, the best I've found on the high street bookies in England for a Decision win (Mitchell) is 7/2. Looking at both their records (and I know these fighters come up against some crap early in their career), Mitchell has the higher KO count (23) to Murray's 18. So that price of 6/1 seems like it should be closer to 3/1-7/2, whether it pays off is irrelevant, key to ******** is to look for value and bet accordingly.

My strategy in betting is to heavily study a market and look for genuine value, so theoretically in the long run you win because you find the best prices. And I have been pulling a very good profit when sticking to these rules!

You missed 2 weeks ago when some UK Bookies had Haye and Wlad as 50/50 when Wlad shouldve been 6/1 , lots of ppl made money off that bet.

Mitchell has only 1 Decision win in his last 10 fights. Rest have been KO.

I dont know how good Murrays chin is, I would avoid this fight but if I had say $100 to bet I would do 75$ Mitchell straight up win and 25$ Mitchell by KO

[Cleaver]

You missed 2 weeks ago when some UK Bookies had Haye and Wlad as 50/50 when Wlad shouldve been 6/1 , lots of ppl made money off that bet.

Mitchell has only 1 Decision win in his last 10 fights. Rest have been KO.

I dont know how good Murrays chin is, I would avoid this fight but if I had say $100 to bet I would do 75$ Mitchell straight up win and 25$ Mitchell by KO

A good mate of mine strongly tipped Wlad on points for months, he had at least £200 on (that we knew about) at around 5/1 on the net, he surmised that based on looking at the cold facts, instead of being seduced by all the rubbish spouted before the fight. So whilst all the drunks were flying in the bookies to bet on Haye round 4,5 and 6, he saw the value.

Good points made there! Agreed.

[revs1227]

i think it depends where theyre at in ther career i.e hatton vargas late in their careers harder to accept defeat ad bounce back ..pac ortiz ,kahn all earlier gainst lesser opponents ..better chance of bouncing back