Comments Thread For: USADA Responds: There is No Bias Against Pacquiao

[Horvo]

When random is in play the boxer doesn't know when he will be tested so the fear is always there. So Tygart stopped because he didn't feel it was su****ious anymore huh. Where did you get that from.

"We chose not to test for blood closer to the fight than we did because there was no need to do so. But, of course, if we had some sort of cause or su****ion that meant that we needed to do more blood tests, let's say, five days, or, four days before a fight, then we certainly would have done it," said Tygart.

"And that's why the right to have that option is such an important aspect to having a good program. It's a deterrent for the fighters," said Tygart. "[We were] totally comfortable only having that blood test 18 days before the fight and not needing one more testing day in between."

http://www.boxingscene.com/doctors-back-pacquiaos-case-against-usada-protocol--28442

So what happens if Tygart happens to get a "su****ion" the day before the fight? Is that random? Is that fair? If they are going to have random drug testing at a high school it has to be genuinely random. It can't be based on whether the principal has a "su****ion" of someone.

[Fetta]

This is the USADA. Not some small shady organization. This is just an excuse from team pac and if youdon't see that then you truly are a ******* like marley. Posters streching by saying he agreed to WADA but they don't test. Then saying athird party can do it. So this third party is better than the organization (USADA) that WADA trusts and considers the best available. They test olympic athletesall the time. Isn't this fight taking place in the USA?

[p4p-champ]

Oldman Bob Arum is sure looking like a fool. He is slipping, it must be the old age getting to him.

[Fetta]

"We chose not to test for blood closer to the fight than we did because there was no need to do so. But, of course, if we had some sort of cause or su****ion that meant that we needed to do more blood tests, let's say, five days, or, four days before a fight, then we certainly would have done it," said Tygart.

"And that's why the right to have that option is such an important aspect to having a good program. It's a deterrent for the fighters," said Tygart. "[We were] totally comfortable only having that blood test 18 days before the fight and not needing one more testing day in between."


http://www.boxingscene.com/doctors-b...rotocol--28442

so they told the boxers we aren't testing anymore? Our did they leave the fear that at any moment they can be tested?

[p4p-champ]

"We chose not to test for blood closer to the fight than we did because there was no need to do so. But, of course, if we had some sort of cause or su****ion that meant that we needed to do more blood tests, let's say, five days, or, four days before a fight, then we certainly would have done it," said Tygart.

"And that's why the right to have that option is such an important aspect to having a good program. It's a deterrent for the fighters," said Tygart. "[We were] totally comfortable only having that blood test 18 days before the fight and not needing one more testing day in between."

http://www.boxingscene.com/doctors-back-pacquiaos-case-against-usada-protocol--28442

So what happens if Tygart happens to get a "su****ion" the day before the fight? Is that random? Is that fair? If they are going to have random drug testing at a high school it has to be genuinely random. It can't be based on whether the principal has a "su****ion" of someone.

"After that fight fell through, Floyd Mayweather took on Shane Mosley for which both agreed to do Olympic Style random blood testing. We all assumed or led to believe the blood testing would be up to the fight, which it didn’t happen. The blood testing ended 18 days before the fight and then another blood test right after the fight. People were asking why they didn’t go up to or at least a day before the fight? USADA’s Travis Tygart said the initial blood tests shown both boxers were clean and they didn’t need any further blood test. The rest of the random test would be done through urine testing. However, Travis Tygart did mention if some anomaly suddenly appeared in one of the urine test, they would get another blood sample. But the test didn’t uncover anything that could be questionable so they decided to end the blood test."

[Horvo]

so they told the boxers we aren't testing anymore? Our did they leave the fear that at any moment they can be tested?

Even if the fighters didn't know and actually thought it was random that doesn't make it random.

For any organization to do legal random drug testing, like a high school, it has to be truly random. Not based on the subjective su****ion of the principal.

[LupinIII]

arum can request WADA to appoint other testing agencies except USADA. what about UKAD?

whats Arum gonna do when WADA backs the USADA?

[Horvo]

"After that fight fell through, Floyd Mayweather took on Shane Mosley for which both agreed to do Olympic Style random blood testing. We all assumed or led to believe the blood testing would be up to the fight, which it didn’t happen. The blood testing ended 18 days before the fight and then another blood test right after the fight. People were asking why they didn’t go up to or at least a day before the fight? USADA’s Travis Tygart said the initial blood tests shown both boxers were clean and they didn’t need any further blood test. The rest of the random test would be done through urine testing. However, Travis Tygart did mention if some anomaly suddenly appeared in one of the urine test, they would get another blood sample. But the test didn’t uncover anything that could be questionable so they decided to end the blood test."

So in other words it was subjective, not random. And his whole argument that they didn't need any further blood tests, that urine would be good enough, didn't make any sense. Your own quote says a 24 hour window is enough. It shouldn't be up to anyone to decide whether to keep giving tests. Just have a computer generate whether a test happens that day or not, right up to the fight.

[p4p-champ]

So in other words it was subjective, not random. And his whole argument that they didn't need any further blood tests, that urine would be good enough, didn't make any sense. Your own quote says a 24 hour window is enough. It shouldn't be up to anyone to decide whether to keep giving tests. Just have a computer generate whether a test happens that day or not, right up to the fight.

You seem to ignore the fact that they can show up whenever they feel like, unannounced for more blood. That in itself is a huge deterrent, but if you believe that isn't enough, then you should complain to WADA and suggest they take blood everyday.

[SkillspayBills]

Even if the fighters didn't know and actually thought it was random that doesn't make it random.

For any organization to do legal random drug testing, like a high school, it has to be truly random. Not based on the subjective su****ion of the principal.

You pulledt that COMPLETELY from your own *******. It isn't "subjective" it isn't "Hmmm I feel like screwing this guy over so let me test him while he gets his hand wrapped." Did you even read what Tygart said? He said IF THERE WERE ANY SU****IONS in the urine we would have tested again. There weren't. So he didn't.

It's random FOR THE BOXERS not the damn orginization running the test.