How many losses should Williams have?

**#1Assassin** · 07-10-2011, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by -PANDA-

just for the record panda aint a williams hater but he's talked himself up over the years and it was bad taste not giving lara his props in the post fight interview yesterday

first loss: quintana ud - thoroughly outboxed
second loss: martinez - close but most felt martinez deserved the win
third (possible) loss: cintron - cintron won at least 2 rounds imho
fourth loss: martinez - brutal ko
fifth loss: lara - getting outboxed and bludgeoned by a fighter with less than twice the pro experience

1. the quinatana fight was very close, he was thoroughly outboxed in spots but also did very well in spots. the decision really couldve gon either way even though i too feel quintana just edged it.

2. i dont think most ppl feel martinez won teh first fight, they just complain about it more often than the ppl who thought williams won. imo more ppl had williams winning, i know i did.

3. even if cintron deserved the TD a TD isnt a real win or loss imo. more importantly cintron has himself to blame for the fight being stopped, a fight that was drasticly turning in williams' favor i might add. to even mention this as a possible loss is just silly.

i think williams has been beaten 3 times. quintana (just barely) obviously the second martinez fight and last night against lara.

**BattleAxePurist** · 07-10-2011, 08:43 AM

The cintron fight always confused me bcse i thought he countered Paul effectively but got no credit unfortunetly for him the catapult through the ropes was just his misfortune but a draw wouldn't of been bad

No problem with the first Serg fight it was close and could of gone either way

So quintana,martinez2,lara are no doubters

**Battle*Hardened** · 07-10-2011, 08:50 AM

The Cintron fight should have been a NC. You can't count that as a loss. Sure some people thought Martinez won the first fight, but a lot of others thought Williams won the first also.

His only losses are against south paws. He's a good fighter. Let's not completely discredit him, because the judges can't score. That's not his fault.

**-PANDA-** · 07-10-2011, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by #1Assassin

1. the quinatana fight was very close, he was thoroughly outboxed in spots but also did very well in spots. the decision really couldve gon either way even though i too feel quintana just edged it.

2. i dont think most ppl feel martinez won teh first fight, they just complain about it more often than the ppl who thought williams won. imo more ppl had williams winning, i know i did.

3. even if cintron deserved the TD a TD isnt a real win or loss imo. more importantly cintron has himself to blame for the fight being stopped, a fight that was drasticly turning in williams' favor i might add. to even mention this as a possible loss is just silly.

i think williams has been beaten 3 times. quintana (just barely) obviously the second martinez fight and last night against lara.

2. yes they did...the search function is ur friend

3. very true...but it counts as a win for williams while cintron imho at least deserved a technical draw. cintron tripped and didnt feel like continuing. panda's one of the people who believes u dont go into a fight with a guaranteed 6 figure payday only to jump out deliberately in the 4th round...that makes no sense at all. also the fight wasnt turning in williams' favor...cintron rocked him right before the freak accident

**Evil Abed** · 07-10-2011, 09:17 AM

Three losses.

**SugarAnt05** · 07-10-2011, 09:29 AM

3 Loses

Martinez vs Williams 1- Close fight but got I have pwill up by a round or two if i remember correctly. Couldve went either way. Cintron was taggin him until he hopped out the ring, shouldve been a NC but only Cintron knows if he hopped out the ring.

3 losses- First Quintana Fight, Martinez vs P Will 2, and the Lara fight. Im not gonna completely discredit him, some ppl dont fight Southpaws at all and he gots good quality wins.

**size15shoe** · 07-10-2011, 09:38 AM

Well, the Quintana loss was his first, solid loss. Ill give him that.

The 1st Martinez fight, I actually had Williams winning, so I dont count that one.

The Cintron fight, I had Williams "up" (although it was only 3 rounds in) 2-1. I will NEVER give P-Will a loss for Kermit doing a stop/drop and roll fire drill technique out of the ring, **** Cintron. If Cintron were up 8-0 and did that **** I still wouldnt give him the win..

As a HUGE P-Will fan, I had Lara winning the fight 7-5 (rounds, that is).. That was his 3rd legit loss IMO

How many losses should Williams have?