People Dont Actually Think Joe Louis Would Beat a Klitschko Do They?

[Battle*Hardened]

Based on? His nutritional habits? LMAO.



Louis is capable of beating any top heavyweight in any era, and i have not been presented with any valid reason to believe otherwise.




It's already been done, and against a bigger man than both Klitschko's

Primo Carnera, 6'5"1/2 260 and was ripped... Look at the video people. He was just as good if not better athlete then Klit with quicker hands.... The klits are in an era of bums. Jesus Christ....

[prinzemanspopa]

These type of threads bring out the ignorance and biased thinking on both sides.You have the more modern fanbase,who refuse to accept that any heavyweight who fought over fifty years ago would stand even a remote chance against the more recent crop of heavyweights based on size alone,and then you have the classic fanbase,who refuse to see any notable strengths that two certain modern heavyweights possess and will sometimes blindly favour the older fighters based on sheer nostalgia.



As always,the truth lies somewhere in the middle.I've absolutely no doubt that Louis would destroy any current heavyweight not names Klitschko.Film shows what type of fighter Louis is,and it shows us that he was a great one.There isn't a single heavyweight today that throws the level of combinations that Louis did.He was a fantastic puncher - one that had wide veriety,fluidity,speed,timing,precision,and,of course,power.I've absolutely no doubt that he would beaten every man on both Klitschko's respective win columns,and I've no doubt that he would be dominating in the same manner that Wlad is doing today.



Likewise,I think both Klitschko's would have beaten everybody on Louis's win column.There are fighters like Schmeling and Walcott that were classy enough to create some interesting matchups,but I'd easily favour both over everybody else.



And using Carnera and Baer is a very flawed argument.Yes,it's true - both men were of a similar height and weight to both Klitschko's.But Carnera and Baer fought Louis in a manner of which neither Klitshko would have done.Baer was aggressive against Louis,and it's common knowledge that this is the very worst type of fight to use against Louis - he destroyed guys that came directly at him.He gave up his height,gave up his reach and literally fought down to Louis's level.Carnera is a little similar to how the Klitschko's fiight,but nowhere near as adept at controlling distance,in my own personal view.The Klitschko's are both great at controlling distance and using their height and reach to full advantage.Louis wouldn't be feasting on the type of open target that both Baer and Carnera provided.He be forced to think,forced to set traps and a chess match would be likely to develop.



It's as equally ignorant to deny a quality big man a chance at competing with certain fighters as it is to promote the idea that a particular heavyweight would succeed based on superior size alone.The Klitschko's are competitive in any era and should not be dismissed against any heavyweight of the past,regardless of how who they are and how great they were.

Joe Frazier woulda killed his soul before killing Wlad

This thread had absolutely nothing to do with him,so stop referencing him and trying to fit him into a conversation of which he has no business being in.


In reality,Frazier would have avoided Wlad - just like he avoided virtually every single puncher of his generation.

[Forza]

Carnera had 0 boxing skills. How the **** can you compare him to a master like wlad? Have you seen wlads jab? His defense? His straight right? Carnera was a big man with no skill, a carnival act.

Not to mention wlad is an inch taller and 100x more athletic

[SplitSecond]

what's the point of making threads like this?
all the boxing historians will just get butthurt and tell you how everyone nowadays is too soft and everyone back then was a super-mega-hard puncher and moved with super-mega-light-speed

[Forza]

Nostalgia is a terrible habit of boxing fans

[CubanGuyNYC]

In my view, fantasy fights demand that the same considerations be applied to all the fighters in question. If 1940s Louis were transported to the present and pitted against either Klitschko, he'd probably be overwhelmed. But if Joe was born on the same year as Vitali -- with the same natural gifts, fighting drive, etc., while reaping modern benefits -- he would very conceivably defeat either brother.

If Wlad and Vitali were transported to the past, carrying their modern attributes with them, they would murder nearly everyone that stepped in their path. But it's not so simple. There's a reason why very large men didn't have success in heavyweight boxing back in the day. It took decades of sports evolution for big men to become athletic enough to impose their size as a true advantage. The Klitschkos are a product of carefully considered boxing techniques and sports science. It's just another reason why they're viewed as robots.

[kendom]

Such absolute ignorance, just because he fought in the 40s doesnt mean he would lose, he fought 15 rounders while most HWs today cant do 12. A liitle more research is in order.

Joe Louis would destroy Wlad, he has incredible punching power, he has much better inside fighting skills than Wlad, and would rip him up on the inside by blocking and slipping under his unimpressive jab, feinting, throwing uppercuts and working the body, and Louis was not slow he had underrated footspeed and footwork, Louis destroyed big fighters like Primo Carnera 260lbs, Buddy Baer 250lb, Abe Simon 260lbs. He destroyed these men because he was the most acurate HW puncher, and Wlad's huge body gives off a huge target.

Sorry to bust the myth but boxing has devolved, show me evidence that boxing has evolved, were boxers in the past worse because they fought in an era of black and white? boxers in the past had much more experience, better trainers, fighters in the past used heavy bags, rowing machines, spped bags, sparring, weight training and bulking up doesnt increase punching power, it decreases movement and builds up arm weariness. Start doing some research instead of making ignorant assumptions. Again show me evidence that boxing has evolved when our current era of heavyweights is the worst ever and so few boxers employ head movement, bodypunching, infighting skills and effective feinting. Its an absolute myth.

[ELHURACAN58]

LOL at people (specially old men) who believe the blast of the past is better than the crescent of the present.

The only places where the past was better than the present is in the music and automobile endurance industries.

Everything else,

Philosophy
Sports
Religion
technology
Art
Common knowledge
Training
Food

Is way more advanced and therefore better than the past

[kendom]

LOL at people (specially old men) who believe the blast of the past is better than the crescent of the present.

The only places where the past was better than the present is in the music and automobile endurance industries.

Everything else,

Philosophy
Sports
Religion
technology
Art
Common knowledge
Training
Food

Is way more advanced and therefore better than the past

Im in my late teens and i believe that Wlad would have been koed, its not a case of nostalgia its about doing research and knowing the facts and having a good knowledge of boxing

[King Ghidorah]

These type of threads bring out the ignorance and biased thinking on both sides.You have the more modern fanbase,who refuse to accept that any heavyweight who fought over fifty years ago would stand even a remote chance against the more recent crop of heavyweights based on size alone,and then you have the classic fanbase,who refuse to see any notable strengths that two certain modern heavyweights possess and will sometimes blindly favour the older fighters based on sheer nostalgia.



As always,the truth lies somewhere in the middle.I've absolutely no doubt that Louis would destroy any current heavyweight not names Klitschko.Film shows what type of fighter Louis is,and it shows us that he was a great one.There isn't a single heavyweight today that throws the level of combinations that Louis did.He was a fantastic puncher - one that had wide veriety,fluidity,speed,timing,precision,and,of course,power.I've absolutely no doubt that he would beaten every man on both Klitschko's respective win columns,and I've no doubt that he would be dominating in the same manner that Wlad is doing today.



Likewise,I think both Klitschko's would have beaten everybody on Louis's win column.There are fighters like Schmeling and Walcott that were classy enough to create some interesting matchups,but I'd easily favour both over everybody else.



And using Carnera and Baer is a very flawed argument.Yes,it's true - both men were of a similar height and weight to both Klitschko's.But Carnera and Baer fought Louis in a manner of which neither Klitshko would have done.Baer was aggressive against Louis,and it's common knowledge that this is the very worst type of fight to use against Louis - he destroyed guys that came directly at him.He gave up his height,gave up his reach and literally fought down to Louis's level.Carnera is a little similar to how the Klitschko's fiight,but nowhere near as adept at controlling distance,in my own personal view.The Klitschko's are both great at controlling distance and using their height and reach to full advantage.Louis wouldn't be feasting on the type of open target that both Baer and Carnera provided.He be forced to think,forced to set traps and a chess match would be likely to develop.



It's as equally ignorant to deny a quality big man a chance at competing with certain fighters as it is to promote the idea that a particular heavyweight would succeed based on superior size alone.The Klitschko's are competitive in any era and should not be dismissed against any heavyweight of the past,regardless of how who they are and how great they were.






This thread had absolutely nothing to do with him,so stop referencing him and trying to fit him into a conversation of which he has no business being in.


In reality,Frazier would have avoided Wlad - just like he avoided virtually every single puncher of his generation.

Yeah like he a dodge the hardest puncher of all time George Foreman? George Chuvalo?

Yeah STFU....