What is Vitali on about?

[CubanGuyNYC]

Wlad is a REAL HW dude, all those dudes your mentioned were never real HW's.

Dont compare old generation of Boxing where you had mafia controlled fights and bums Marciano was fighting, they werent true HEAVY WEIGHTS.

Wlad has the most true HW fights and rounds.

all those guys would be CW or Light Heavy if they fought today.

Lol at you mentioning CW's.


Marciano was fighting DRUNK BUMS WHO WERE PAID OFF.

There is only a few real HW's.

Ali,Luis,Marciano,Holmes,Liston werent real HW's.

It shows you how big a joke Boxing was and the level of competition when you had 180lb people winning against 250lb scrubs.

Stop clinging on to the past, they werent that amazing. Most of Ali's fights were SNOOZEFESTS.

How many Liston and Marciano fights have you seen? or have you just heard how amazing they were from their kids?

Wow. You have just taken a dump on the entire history of the heavyweight division. The real difference between the old school heavies you mention and David Haye obviously isn't size. It's the fact that the stated old-timers are all ATGs. Would any of them have a good chance at beating Wlad? There would be dozens of knowledgeable posters on this forum that would say yes. Ali, Liston and Holmes are three. Tyson, whom you didn't mention, might also beat either Klitschko. Size is one advantage out of many; it's far from decisive. Otherwise, guys like Willard and Carnera would've been dominant.

Is the new better than the old? Sometimes. But, in order to understand the present, you must appreciate the past.

[squealpiggy]

Wlad is a REAL HW dude, all those dudes your mentioned were never real HW's.

Dont compare old generation of Boxing where you had mafia controlled fights and bums Marciano was fighting, they werent true HEAVY WEIGHTS.

Wlad has the most true HW fights and rounds.

all those guys would be CW or Light Heavy if they fought today.

Lol at you mentioning CW's.


Marciano was fighting DRUNK BUMS WHO WERE PAID OFF.

There is only a few real HW's.

Ali,Luis,Marciano,Holmes,Liston werent real HW's.

It shows you how big a joke Boxing was and the level of competition when you had 180lb people winning against 250lb scrubs.

Stop clinging on to the past, they werent that amazing. Most of Ali's fights were SNOOZEFESTS.

How many Liston and Marciano fights have you seen? or have you just heard how amazing they were from their kids?

Just because you're a fan of the Klitschko princesses doesn't mean you have to say ****** things in defense of them. A sensible answer would have been "That was a different era where the truly big men were usually slow and fat - nowadays the size of the heavies has increased and athletic big heavyweight boxers are a reality - Wlad and Vitali may have been dominant in days gone by through the virtue of their size if nothing else". Instead you say "ALL HEAVYWEIGHTS IN THE PAST ARE RUBBISH! I PLAY A GAME WITH MY BOYFRIEND WHERE WE BOTH PUT ON BLINDFOLDS AND PRETEND WE ARE THE KLITSCHKO BROTHERS WHILE WE TOUCH EACH OTHER!!!!!!!!"

[squealpiggy]

Wow. You have just taken a dump on the entire history of the heavyweight division. The real difference between the old school heavies you mention and David Haye obviously isn't size. It's the fact that the stated old-timers are all ATGs. Would any of them have a good chance at beating Wlad? There would be dozens of knowledgeable posters on this forum that would say yes. Ali, Liston and Holmes are three. Tyson, whom you didn't mention, might also beat either Klitschko. Size is one advantage out of many; it's far from decisive. Otherwise, guys like Willard and Carnera would've been dominant.

Is the new better than the old? Sometimes. But, in order to understand the present, you must appreciate the past.

Prime Tyson would smash Wlad to bits. I think he'd have a tough time against prime Vitali before he retired four times to avoid fighting Hassim Rahman, as Vitali isn't as likely to collapse under pressure. But Tyson would scare the shit out of Wlad.

[Tiozzo]

6'1 Lamon Brewster was also too small when he stopped Wlad

[Jedi Vader]

Haye himself has overcome a massive weight difference through defeating Valuev to win the World title.

If he can really rock someone of that size, in the last round and with a punch that didn't totally connect, he has the ability to lay Wlad face down on the canvas.

[Jedi Vader]

Wow. You have just taken a dump on the entire history of the heavyweight division. The real difference between the old school heavies you mention and David Haye obviously isn't size. It's the fact that the stated old-timers are all ATGs. Would any of them have a good chance at beating Wlad? There would be dozens of knowledgeable posters on this forum that would say yes. Ali, Liston and Holmes are three. Tyson, whom you didn't mention, might also beat either Klitschko. Size is one advantage out of many; it's far from decisive. Otherwise, guys like Willard and Carnera would've been dominant.

Is the new better than the old? Sometimes. But, in order to understand the present, you must appreciate the past.

Prime Tyson would smash Wlad to bits. I think he'd have a tough time against prime Vitali before he retired four times to avoid fighting Hassim Rahman, as Vitali isn't as likely to collapse under pressure. But Tyson would scare the shit out of Wlad.

Tyson 86-89 incinerates both Wlad and Vitali on the same afternoon.

[D4thincarnation]

People do realise there were guy bigger than 240lbs prior to 1990 that fought at heavyweight.

Size may bring you strength but at a cost to speed, but both of those play second fiddle to skill.

For Vitali just to base this fight on Haye's lack of size is IMO ******.

[intoccabile]

vitlai says haye not a real heavyheight so hes talking **** the poster above showed you loads of great champs who were simaler weight not to mention the real deal,hope haye does it just to shut the klits fans faces

Both you are the OP are ******ed.

Haye is too small, deal with it. You should have just put the Valuev Fight up there for arguement, but you didn't. Instead, you put up incredibly skewed logic.

You're talking about an old heavyweight division that would be a cruiserweight division today. How does two 210lbs fighters fighting each other, and 1 winning, have anything to do with a 210 fighter fighting a 240lbs fighter of equal ability. It's not the same.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Prime Tyson would smash Wlad to bits. I think he'd have a tough time against prime Vitali before he retired four times to avoid fighting Hassim Rahman, as Vitali isn't as likely to collapse under pressure. But Tyson would scare the shit out of Wlad.

Couldn't agree more. I intentionally measured my words. Wlad would be done before the opening bell rang. Vitali might withstand the intimidation and physical onslaught long enough to win, but I would still pick prime Tyson in that match-up.

[vacon04]

People do realise there were guy bigger than 240lbs prior to 1990 that fought at heavyweight.

Size may bring you strength but at a cost to speed, but both of those play second fiddle to skill.

For Vitali just to base this fight on Haye's lack of size is IMO ******.

And before 1990 it was also harder to mantain a lot of muscle mass like Wlad and Vitali have. You also need to remember that sports medicine and training methods have improved a lot in the past years, you just need to look at olympic records, most of them have been broken because of all the science and technology that has been invested in sports.

Before, it was almost impossible to be 245 pounds of mainly muscle mass, most guys were 245 but that they had a lot more fat than today. Wladimir has a lean 245 body. Do you really know how much protein this guy must take? Before, a guy needed to get protein from food, so he had to eat a lot to get the necessary amount of protein to mantain muscle mass. Since that food also had fat and carbs, he would also get a not so lean body.

Now Wlad can eat a lot of low fat food, and still get massive amounts of protein by using protein powder. These are different times.