WTF, Why Is Arum Letting Pavlik Fight Bute?

[shenmue]

Pavlik is ten times better than all the guys Bute has fought in his last few fights, I'm fine with this fight and if Pavlik is mentally right he can win this fight. I like Bute but his resume sucks.

[Stromprophet]

Pavlik has 37 wins...32 by KO.

His last KO was *3 fights ago* .....acting like he's never knocked a guy out .

Jermaine Taylor had never even been close to being KOd. Zurtuchi, which is one of the most brutal power KOs I've ever seen, had never been KOd.

Bute was in a world of trouble (in a fight he should have lost) against Adrade. Good hometown help in that fight. Quit acting like this guy is invincible, he's been hurt, could be hurt again.

Has Pavlik ever even been on the canvas? I've never seen him hurt in any fight. Not against Sergio, not against Hopkins, not against Taylor. Yet he's gonna get KOd?

[Ben_London]

Pavlik has 37 wins...32 by KO.

His last KO was *3 fights ago* .....acting like he's never knocked a guy out .

Jermaine Taylor had never even been close to being KOd. Zurtuchi, which is one of the most brutal power KOs I've ever seen, had never been KOd.

Bute was in a world of trouble (in a fight he should have lost) against Adrade. Good hometown help in that fight. Quit acting like this guy is invincible, he's been hurt, could be hurt again.

Has Pavlik ever even been on the canvas? I've never seen him hurt in any fight. Not against Sergio, not against Hopkins, not against Taylor. Yet he's gonna get KOd?

Agree with some of your points but yes he was on the canvas twice, once in the first Taylor fight and badly hurt. Also in a fight before that against Zuniga.

[Steak]

whatever, if Pavlik thinks hes ready then let him fight.

usually when a fighter thinks 'Im not ready' it means 'The fight will never happen'. **** that. Id rather have the fight happen with an unprepared Pavlik than not at all.

and its not like hes fighting tomorrow, hes got months and a big training camp to go through. if hes focused, he should be ok, and if he wants another tuneup then let him fight a bum in two weeks. that wouldnt interfere with the fight happening.

[Devils Advocate]

Simple reasons, really.

1. Pavlik's time is almost up. Why not let Arum and Pavlik make as much money as possible before someone who brings less to the table sends Pavlik off into the sunset? In truth, I think both Pavlik AND Arum have an understanding of this.

2. Bute has been hit and didn't look GREAT in his last fight either. Fine performance, but nothing special. Bute was hittable. Pavlik can hit. There's always that chance.

3. Pavlik was BARELY getting a name for himself when he was beaten by Hopkins. Then, when Martinez beat him, it all but erupted his star. Now, he needs to either be shot right back into the scene with a big win or essentially fade out completely and seem like a washed-up has-been. Whether or he's already there is to be seen, I suppose.

I agree he still has his name and if Andrade was able to sting Bute I'm sure Pavlik will do more than hold his own. Lets not act like Bute has been in with the likes of Froch, Ward or even a Kessler. If Bute gets a win against Pavlik that will be the best name on his resume.

[intoccabile]

Pavlik has 37 wins...32 by KO.

His last KO was *3 fights ago* .....acting like he's never knocked a guy out .

Jermaine Taylor had never even been close to being KOd. Zurtuchi, which is one of the most brutal power KOs I've ever seen, had never been KOd.

Bute was in a world of trouble (in a fight he should have lost) against Adrade. Good hometown help in that fight. Quit acting like this guy is invincible, he's been hurt, could be hurt again.

Has Pavlik ever even been on the canvas? I've never seen him hurt in any fight. Not against Sergio, not against Hopkins, not against Taylor. Yet he's gonna get KOd?

Bute is a 1 trick pony.. unfortunately Pavlik only throws jabs and crosses, which means bute's 1 trick (the counter uppercut) will find it's mark. How pavlik takes it.. an dhow many he can take will tell the story.

Lucky for Pavlik, unlike kessler, doesn't fall into his punches. He also likes to keep guys on the end of his punches and has a longer reach than bute - which means he'll be harder to counter on at least.

He wins easy IMO if he refrains from being Uppercutted, which is easier said than done. People are sleeping on kelly

[Stromprophet]

Agree with some of your points but yes he was on the canvas twice, once in the first Taylor fight and badly hurt. Also in a fight before that against Zuniga.

You're right. Gotta watch that fight again. And he was pretty hurt in the Taylor fight. However, he's never been KOd. To me it's nonsense to say Bute will just do it given the guys Pavlik has been in with.

[deanrw]

When Pavlik was an up and comer, he was the guy given the hard road. It worked for him. Now that he is once again trying to re-establish himself, he is once again given the hard road.

It is probably the way Pavlik wants it. Pavlik always seemed to perform better when he was the underdog. Perhaps that is what he needs. Which ever way this goes, it seems to be his way of doing things. Whether you like him or not you have to respect that in a fighter.

[freedom213]

People on this forum kill me.

I remember back when Pavlik was coming up and then De-throned Jermaine Taylor. This place, Boxingscene....*LOVED* Pavlik.

Hard worker, Journeyman really, from a blue collar town, throwback, and Great White Hope.



I trust Atlas technical commentary probably more than any other analyst. If you've ever seen his ESPN prefight, he shows the keys to technical boxing for the fighters before the matches. And it's excellent.

The other thing is the love affair with Sergio has left a "re-written" history on this forum. Seriously, people here are as bad the people trying to "re-write" Bush W legacy......

*Pavlik was winning the fight against Sergio late until his cut completely opened up*. Period. If people here don't see that, they are blind. (Besides the fact that it was on all the scores that way)

People love to talk about how slow Pavlik looked in that fight, etc, etc. What they failed to see was while Sergio won the opening rounds, Sergio got outboxed for about 5 rounds after that until the cut opened up late.

Pavlik adapted to Sergio, kept him on the outside, in his reach, and controlled the fight.

The guy is 29 years old. If Sergio is doing this well at 36, there's no reason to count someone out if they can get it going well.

you summed this up perfectly plus i think Bute has never seen a Kelly Pavlik quality fighter or a guy with Pavlik's size/style really. If Pavlik has the fire back and has a good camp I see him whipping Bute's ass. remember Bute doesn't exactly possess the best chin an Pavlik is a heavy handed guy even at 168.

[TRAV1$]

The overhyped Euro phag will end him.