The Blue print for beating Floyd Mayweather!

[Bring It On]

i didnt realise Lederman had it so wide to be honest. And im not usually gonna stick up for judges, because alot of the time they suck balls, but their cards are the only ones that matter. In any fight, sadly enough

Of course their scores are the ones that matters, which is sad because they screw fighters over too often.

[Phenom]

I think people were influenced by the HBO commentary too much that score card is a joke no way in hell did JLC win 4 of the first 7 rounds.


the 116-111 unanimous score card better reflects what actually happened then lederman card

[stefl14]

I'll give my opinion on this fight happily.

First of all, I think the notion that Mayweather can't be hit is nonsensical; he doesn't get hit cleanly very often but he can be hurt when he does get hit. Shane Mosley did not have a jab to speak of but he managed to get his bombs off on Mayweather early. I know that people will say it doesn't matter since Mayweather dominated the rest of the fight. These people ignore the fact that, at this point in time, Pacquiao is faster than Mosley and has an ability to slip unexpected punches through guards at weird angles. Pacquiao would not tire like Mosley. Pacquiao undeniably has the ability to hurt Mayweather and put him down.

The Judah fight is interesting to watch before making a full analysis of this fight. The common response I usually get when trying to use the Judah fight to analyse what would happen if Pacquiao and Mayweather stepped in the ring to fight each other is that Judah fights nothing like Pacquiao. This is true, but wholly irrelevant in at least one aspect. With his speed and southpaw stance, Judah was able to confuse Mayweather early, put him down (I know Mayweather wasn't hurt but the right hook Judah scored should have been called a knockdown) and make Mayweather look inferior early. The knockdown can be attributed to the unexpected angle of the hook from the southpaw stance. Unfortunately for Judah, he was unable to overcome adversity when Mayweather adapted - you could say he folded. Judah did look superior in the first three or four rounds though. Pacquiao would land good shots like Judah, but he would also follow them up - Mayweather may make some miss - but he wouldn't be winning any rounds by doing so. I think the biggest risk for Mayweather is getting 4 or 5 rounds down on the scorecards early and losing further points due to flash knockdowns.

Furthermore, people like to cite that Marquez troubled Pacquiao with his counter-punching ability and therefore Mayweather, being faster and technically superiour to Marquez, would beat Pacquiao handily. These people ignore the differences between Mayweather and Marquez, namely the fact that Marquez doesn't let you hit him with combos without doing anything. Often Mayweather just stands there blocking and rolling. While not much lands, he isn't winning rounds doing that. This is why he lost rounds in the De La Hoya fight at times.

I believe that people who think that Mayweather beats Pacquiao easily are deluded: Pacquiao is able to trouble Mayweather like Judah but won't fade in the same way. My view of the fight is this; Pacquiao hurts Mayweather early, more than Judah or Mosley did. Pacquiao takes the early rounds due to the odd flashy shot slipping through as Mayweather just walks forward with a high guard (as he does against southpaws) and takes combos. Pacquiao will look good as he throws combos (some of which will be ineffective but will still look better than Mayweather doing nothing).

Keep an open mind when reading this opinion. I know it seems very pro Pacquiao but do realise that I am not saying Pacquiao would win this handily, I am just pointing out that it is by no means a foregone conclusion that Mayweather would outbox Pacquiao.

Stefl14

[AllEyesOpen]

I think people were influenced by the HBO commentary too much that score card is a joke.


the 116-111 unanimous score card better reflects what actually happened then lederman card

The thing is, as good as Lederman is, he does often score fights for the guy applying the pressure more then the boxer. not always but sometimes.

The fight was close, but Castillo didn't turn it on until late in the fight, and no matter how many shots you land, if you lost most or all of the first 6 rounds then you got an uphill battle on you hands.

[J Dubb II 330]

I actually just watched the first fight, and I'm watching the second one right now, first problem lederman, lamply, etc know the compubox numbers, compubox that night was off, counting punches that Floyd caught with his hands and elbows, practically looked untouched, missed Floyds inside punches, castillo looked like he had been in the fight, those numbers skewed the commentators outlook on the fight, the judges scored it right, and boxing writers also agree with those cards, lampley and them are by themselves along with Floyd haters, and one more thing when a boxer does better than expected he gets credit for that, lederman has said that himself

[NanaSucka]

the midget has to get in a lucky shot within the first three rounds. or his ass is done.

[hugh grant]

Castillo did not beat Mayweather, he did very well against Mayweather, arguably better than anyone else. But he didnt beat him, just because you come close to matching Floyd, doesnt mean you beat him.

It means nice try, valiant attempt, but now join the others

Castillo beat Flooyd and for one night had the blueprint and was floyds kryptonite. But he gave Floyd the rematch he wanted so Floyod could avenge that loss which he did. Floyd badly wanted that rematch to avenge the loss.

[Phenom]

The thing is, as good as Lederman is, he does often score fights for the guy applying the pressure more then the boxer. not always but sometimes.

The fight was close, but Castillo didn't turn it on until late in the fight, and no matter how many shots you land, if you lost most or all of the first 6 rounds then you got an uphill battle on you hands.

exactly JLC finished stronger but at the time he was down 5 or 6 rounds already I don't really see how people can say Castillo won unless they go out of their way to give him some of the early rounds

[mathed]

For a righty- the left uppercut; Floyd leans to his right after nearly every jab and to his left after every right......Floyd jabs more than anything else. You can't do it to often because he'll start leading with the right but if you double the jab while moving to your left and when he leans over, shoot the uppercut and he'll lean right into it. That is only a singular strategy though, you'd should have like 10 or 15 strategies and switch them up so he can't adapt.....there needs to be more students of tapes...study them all for months in advance and master every strategy that you come up with- that is what it takes to be great imo.

For a lefty- left uppercut which means you'd have to move to your left or into his power hand.

Floyd jumps back and rotates his back foot to the left and counters with the left hook a lot also- someone who can fight orthodox or southpaw could exploit that.

[stefl14]

the midget has to get in a lucky shot within the first three rounds. or his ass is done.

A lucky shot? If a relatively inactive Judah with his speed and southpaw stance can hit Mayweather multiple times from rounds 1 to 5, I think Pacquiao, with his equal speed and unusual angles will be able to do the same. Mayweather deals with southpaws by walking forward with his guard up in the early rounds - Pacquiao would land, don't doubt it.