When did Wlad get his #5 P4P ranking?

[Elotero]

Wlad been in the Top 10 for awhile now and yes he deserves to be their and his Big Brother should be Top 10 as well...yeah yeah yeah they are boring we get it but they are still the BEST at what they do in their division

As inactive as they were, They're still more active, dominant and deserving of the ranking than the overrated Donaire.

[BattleAxePurist]

As inactive as they were, They're still more active, dominant and deserving of the ranking than the overrated Donaire.

Wlad has earned his ranking
But Donaire being overrated really if concussing 2 top 15 P4P guys when he fought them equals being overrated well then i guess

[Dave Rado]

He's gradually come up during the past year, partly because some people (Williams, Wonjongkam, etc) have been demoted for a variety of valid reasons.

And Floyd Mayweather was removed after more than a year of inactivity.

Williams was directly replaced by Martinez, so that doesn't count.

Wonjongkam has kept winning, so I'm not sure why you mentioned him?

Mayweather dropping out explains Wlad climb from #10 to #9 but not his climb from #9 to #5.

Have four other fighters who were ahead of him lost in the past year?

[Dave Rado]

Boxrecs rankings are a joke

Not a joke exactly - their rankings are a lot better than any of the alphabet rankings, although admittedly that isn't saying much. But they are seriously flawed, and that's because rankings are not an exact science and it is impossible for computerised rankings to properly evaluate the quality of a win, especially in the context of P4P rankings or all time rankings, where you are not comparing like with like and there is simply no way to objectively measure how good a given win was.

I remember Cliff Rold (my favourite boxingscene writer), when he first began his "Measured against all time" series, used to use a mathematical algorithm to rank the fighters in a given division; and while he was doing so, some of his rankings were just ridiculous. Eventually he stopped doing that because he got too many complaints about how silly some of the rankings were, and in his later articles, he used his algorithm only to determine who should get into the all time top 20 - but then ranked those top 20 fighters subjectively. From then on he got a lot of praise for the quality of his lists.

There are just too many unmeasurable factors to take into account when ranking people for a machine to do the job well.

But despite that, boxrec's rankings are still the only reasonably credible rankings that deal with more than just the top 10 in each division, so if you want a reasonably credible ranking for any fighter outside the top 10, boxrec is the only show in town. And they are a lot better than a joke, albeit they are not nearly as good as The Ring's or boxingscene's or espn's rankings for the most part.

[Dave Rado]

He has gradually gone up as others have dropped out. Paul Williams, Chad Dawson, Fernando Montiel all dropped out when they lost, Mayweather's inactivity took him out. No particular win took him up there,but he deserves it in my opinion.

Williams was directly replaced by Martinez so that doesn't count.

Good point about Dawson and Montiel, as well as Mayweather. But that still only explains his rise from 10 to 7. Any idea who the other two fighters were who were ahead of him when he was ranked #10 and who have lost since then?

[Dave Rado]

heavies shouldnt be on top 10 p4p lists. This motha***er list is made for midgets to get the recognition they obviously deserve.

Not necessarily - it's just a way of recognising the quality and standard of competition of a fighter by imagining who would beat whom if all fighters were the same weight as each other.

You're right though that it's very difficult indeed for a Heavyweight to get into the P4P top 10, especially for a very large Heavyweight to do so. Lewis never got higher than #9, and Bowe and Holyfield never got higher than #6. Tyson was the last to crack the top 5 (and the only one ever to be ranked #1, although I'm sure Ali would have been if The Ring had had P4P rankings back then).

Given that, all the carping about Wlad being included later than he should have been seems to be very misplaced to me, especially as he only became the lineal champion in his weight class in 2009.

[The Hammer]

Wonjongkam has kept winning, so I'm not sure why you mentioned him?

He was dropped down because of fighting very poor quality opposition.

His past three opponents have records of 1-3, 1-2 and 0-2.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...4051&cat=boxer

[Larry the boss]

deserves the spot definitly

[Die Antwoord]

Ali is a p4p all time ***** coward. Never would have been p4p number 1 and its not arguable.

lets just look at the 1970's
1970-1972 cant argue ali should be ranked ahead of Frazier.
1973- ali lost to norton and foreman clearly would be ranked higher
1974-best year of Ali's career, 9 months of it youd have foreman as the top ranked HW and then are you going to put Ali over Arguella or Duran?
1975- Ali struggles to beat wepner..........Duran still alive.
1976-Ali robs Young and Norton in joke robberies....Duran still alive
1977- Young beats Foreman in much more impressive fashion, Ali ducks rematch like the coward he was. Roberto Duran still alive.
1978-The joke Leon Spinks beats Ali, Arguella and Duran both still alive.
1979 on- Ali is a complete joke, a ******ed prop wheeled out to sporting events.

As for the 1960's
60-64 cant argue that liston was clearly better
65-67 el intocable was alive
68-70 Ali in hiding like a *****.

[hweightblogger]

heavies shouldnt be on top 10 p4p lists. This motha***er list is made for midgets to get the recognition they obviously deserve.

I agree.

p4p ranking are specifically made to compensate for the obvious fact that heavies would always win against welterweights, no matter how good they are (e.g. Manny Pac).

p4p lists are for "those outside of heavyweight".

p4p = "you would lose, pacman, but somehow we want to pat your back for the great footwork of yours"

It gets especially idiotic since at heavyweight completely other rules apply. For example you could be the most limited HW of all time but with a superb chin and solid punch and you could win against all heavies who ever lived. Yet you could end up as last on a p4p list, thus it makes these lists ridiculous and inconclusive.

Heavyweight boxing is neither ballet nor Irish dancing. Heavies don't belong on p4p lists that include welterweights, just as welterweights don't belong on h2h toplists that include heavies.