Comments Thread For: Fighting Words: Klitschko-Haye Done, But Pacquiao-Floyd?

[MarkMiner]

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Im happy with both upcoming fights...in a way they both are preparing for each other!

[Dan Gutierrez]

If you find a phsychiatrist that can make Floyd brave enough to fight Manny Pacquiao then the Pacquiao/Mayweather fight can be a reality. There are good doctors to cure different health problems but there is no doctor that can make a coward overcome his fear of somebody.

[JoeDaWg]

Would be a real slap in the face to boxing fans if floyd comes back and "tunes up" once again only to go on another vacation. I love this ortiz fight way more then his last two put together. Still though, the entire world hasn't been clamoring for floyd to fight ortiz, at some point he s got to step to pacquiao. Again I LOVE the ortiz fight, but it absolutely has to be followed up with the pacquiao fight. No more tune ups, vacations, delays, or excuses. Let's get it on

[Dave Rado]

by David P. Greisman - It was Haye who had agreed to fight Wladimir in 2009, only to pull out with what some believed was a dubious injury.

It was Haye who had then negotiated to fight Vitali and seemed on course to do so, only to completely change direction and instead sign to face Nicolay Valuev.

And it was Haye who then spent interview after interview talking about how he would beat either brother, but bristling at the conditions of the contract. He didn’t like that, were he to win, clauses called for him to face one Klitschko and then, in the case of a second Haye victory, the other. He also wanted an even split of all the money the fight brought in.

Wladimir Klitschko gave Haye what he wanted: 50 percent of the proceeds, no mandatory rematches and no contractual options.
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You omit to mention that Wlad offered Haye 50 percent of the proceeds, no mandatory rematches and no contractual options in April 2010, and Haye turned it down, claiming that Wlad would either have to ditch his contract with RTL or that Haye would have to get 100% of the Sky PPV money, in order for Haye to take the fight (in other words, Haye said he wanted MORE THAN 50% of the proceeds, which was ridiculous).

A year later he accepted the same terms he had turned down a year previously.

The turning point was that Sky pulled the plug on him in March this year by refusing to show his proposed fight against either Chagaev or Povetkin, and forced Haye to go back to the negotiating table and make the fight.


If both HBO and Showtime lost patience and pulled the plug on both Mayweather and Pacquiao until they fought each other, like Sky did with Haye, then they would fight each other - but unfortunately, I can't imagine either broadcaster taking that position, because if either did, the other one would step in show the (relatively) meaningless fights, and we'd be back to square one.

[FistO]

Would be a real slap in the face to boxing fans if floyd comes back and "tunes up" once again only to go on another vacation. I love this ortiz fight way more then his last two put together. Still though, the entire world hasn't been clamoring for floyd to fight ortiz, at some point he s got to step to pacquiao. Again I LOVE the ortiz fight, but it absolutely has to be followed up with the pacquiao fight. No more tune ups, vacations, delays, or excuses. Let's get it on

Well, Marquez is suppose to be a tune up also, then Floyd vanished. Now this talk about Sr baiting the boxing scene that Floyd will fight Pacquiao next after he agrees to the test is BS. Floyd will NOT fight Pacquiao. They're just doing this media circus again so Gayweather-Ortiz will sell. But guess what, after that fight it will be another long vacation again for Floyd. Floyd has set his mind into fooling the fans about tune-ups, but he does not actually plan on fighting Pacquiao. He will do this tune-up fight a couple more times then retire undefeated. He gets his money otherwise, might not be as big of a paycheck if he fights Manny but his paycheck for a Pacquiao fight, he will make that amount in three of four fights with tomato cans and new, untested fighters, and even damaged ones like Ortiz who quitted against Maidana, and still retire undefeated. His 0 loss record means so much to him. It's the one thing he will cannot afford to lose. What else is there for him to brag about if he loses his 0? Gayweather will not fight Pacquiao no matter what. I could be wrong, and I love to be wrong on that one, but sadly, with how Floyd acted in the past up to now, he is an undefeated boxer with no balls.

[Rolaz]

If Floydie will go on and fight Ortiz, it will support the allegation that he is indeed DUCKING Pacman, the current #1 P4P Boxer.

All those drug allegation that he & the rest of his team are throwing against Pacman, never got support from any World boxing bodies, BWAA, or even in his homestate' Nevada Boxing commission.

[AceBoeing]

Source Please

Greisman is a very good journalist but I have to call him out on this one.

"Then, when Pacquiao's camp agreed to Mayweather's terms, Mayweather's camp said it'd taken those terms off the table, in essence moving the proverbial goal posts back."

This is false, completely false, and I am very surprised this was said, considering it was Boxingscene who posted the news of Mayweather saying if Clottey PPV does less then the Mayweather-Mosley PPV, the 14 day cut off is off the table.

Manny Pacquiao never agreed to the 14 day cut off while it was being offered to him, this sentence makes it look like that when it is completely false. Pacquiao agreed to the 14 day cut off AFTER the Clottey fight, when Floyd had already said he'd want full testing. So yeah it's true Floyd moved it back, but it's 100% false that Manny Pacquiao agreed to it when it was offered.

And the whole truth, another thing that was posted in Boxingscene, was that Bob Arum denied Floyd ever presented a 14 day cut off, and went ahead and made the Clottey fight. Then that mediator, called Arum out on the lie, and Arum admitted to being offered a 14 day cut off "It's true, it's true, he did, but Floyd knew I we were not going to take that offer, that's why he asked."

A source would be appreciated for your response... without it is just another BS coming from someones mouth...

[check hook]

"Then, when Pacquiao's camp agreed to Mayweather's terms, Mayweather's camp said it'd taken those terms off the table, in essence moving the proverbial goal posts back."

Hey, Griesman why don't you mention team Pacquaio turining down a 14 day cut off and then lying about it??!!!

[check hook]

A source would be appreciated for your response... without it is just another BS coming from someones mouth...

The source is this site. When the first (and only REAL negotiation----> Arum and Haymon haven't spoken since) fell apart, team MP claimed to have offered a 14 day cut-off to Mayweather during mediation which was rejected despite the supposed endoresment of Mayweather's advisers. It was later revealed that it was actually team Mayweather who offered a 14 day cut off which was rejected by team MP. So why did they lie???

Everyone who was on this site @ this time (even the *******s) know this is TRUE!!!!