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  • JUYJUY
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    Rating All Time Heavies

    James J. Corbett
    Power 5
    Accuracy 7
    Physical Attributes 5
    Hand Speed 7
    Footwork 8
    Defense 7
    Durability 6
    Killer Instinct 6
    Outside Work 8
    Inside Work 7
    Heart 7
    Endurance 8
    Ring Generalship 7
    Smartness 9

    Overall Score 97



    Jim Jeffries
    Power 7
    Accuracy 6
    Physical Attributes 8
    Hand Speed 6
    Footwork 6
    Defense 7
    Durability 8
    Killer Instinct 8
    Outside Work 7
    Inside Work 7
    Heart 7
    Endurance 8
    Ring Generalship 7
    Smartness 7

    Overall Score 99



    Jack Johnson
    Power 6
    Accuracy 7
    Physical Attributes 7
    Hand Speed 7
    Footwork 8
    Defense 10
    Durability 7
    Killer Instinct 7
    Outside Work 7
    Inside Work 7
    Heart 7
    Endurance 8
    Ring Generalship 9
    Smartness 9

    Overall Score 106



    Jack Dempsey
    Power 9
    Accuracy 7
    Physical Attributes 6
    Hand Speed 7
    Footwork 7
    Defense 7
    Durability 8
    Killer Instinct 10
    Outside Work 6
    Inside Work 8
    Heart 8
    Endurance 9
    Ring Generalship 8
    Smartness 7

    Overall Score 107



    Gene Tunney
    Power 5
    Accuracy 8
    Physical Attributes 6
    Hand Speed 7
    Footwork 8
    Defense 8
    Durability 7
    Killer Instinct 5
    Outside Work 7
    Inside Work 7
    Heart 7
    Endurance 7
    Ring Generalship 7
    Smartness 8

    Overall Score 97



    Max Schmeling
    Power 7
    Accuracy 7
    Physical Attributes 6
    Hand Speed 6
    Footwork 7
    Defense 8
    Durability 7
    Killer Instinct 8
    Outside Work 7
    Inside Work 7
    Heart 7
    Endurance 7
    Ring Generalship 7
    Smartness 8

    Overall Score 99



    Joe Louis
    Power 9
    Accuracy 10
    Physical Attributes 7
    Hand Speed 9
    Footwork 7
    Defense 8
    Durability 7
    Killer Instinct 10
    Outside Work 8
    Inside Work 10
    Heart 8
    Endurance 8
    Ring Generalship 10
    Smartness 9

    Overall Score 120



    Ezzard Charles
    Power 5
    Accuracy 7
    Physical Attributes 6
    Hand Speed 8
    Footwork 8
    Defense 6
    Durability 6
    Killer Instinct 5
    Outside Work 7
    Inside Work 8
    Heart 7
    Endurance 8
    Ring Generalship 7
    Smartness 7

    Overall Score 95



    J. Joe Walcott
    Power 7
    Accuracy 7
    Physical Attributes 6
    Hand Speed 7
    Footwork 7
    Defense 7
    Durability 6
    Killer Instinct 7
    Outside Work 6
    Inside Work 7
    Heart 7
    Endurance 7
    Ring Generalship 7
    Smartness 8

    Overall Score 96



    Rocky Marciano
    Power 9
    Accuracy 6
    Physical Attributes 6
    Hand Speed 6
    Footwork 6
    Defense 6
    Durability 9
    Killer Instinct 8
    Outside Work 5
    Inside Work 7
    Heart 9
    Endurance 9
    Ring Generalship 7
    Smartness 7

    Overall Score 100



    Floyd Patterson
    Power 7
    Accuracy 8
    Physical Attributes 6
    Hand Speed 10
    Footwork 7
    Defense 7
    Durability 4
    Killer Instinct 7
    Outside Work 6
    Inside Work 8
    Heart 8
    Endurance 7
    Ring Generalship 7
    Smartness 6

    Overall Score 98



    Sonny Liston
    Power 10
    Accuracy 7
    Physical Attributes 8
    Hand Speed 6
    Footwork 7
    Defense 7
    Durability 8
    Killer Instinct 9
    Outside Work 6
    Inside Work 7
    Heart 6
    Endurance 7
    Ring Generalship 7
    Smartness 6

    Overall Score 101



    Muhammad Ali
    Power 6
    Accuracy 8
    Physical Attributes 9
    Hand Speed 9
    Footwork 9
    Defense 6
    Durability 9
    Killer Instinct 6
    Outside Work 9
    Inside Work 5
    Heart 9
    Endurance 9
    Ring Generalship 10
    Smartness 7

    Overall Score 111



    Joe Frazier
    Power 9
    Accuracy 7
    Physical Attributes 6
    Hand Speed 7
    Footwork 7
    Defense 8
    Durability 8
    Killer Instinct 9
    Outside Work 5
    Inside Work 9
    Heart 9
    Endurance 9
    Ring Generalship 8
    Smartness 6

    Overall Score 107



    George Foreman
    Power 10
    Accuracy 6
    Physical Attributes 9
    Hand Speed 6
    Footwork 6
    Defense 6
    Durability 9
    Killer Instinct 9
    Outside Work 7
    Inside Work 7
    Heart 7
    Endurance 6
    Ring Generalship 7
    Smartness 6

    Overall Score 101



    Larry Holmes
    Power 7
    Accuracy 8
    Physical Attributes 8
    Hand Speed 8
    Footwork 8
    Defense 7
    Durability 9
    Killer Instinct 7
    Outside Work 9
    Inside Work 7
    Heart 8
    Endurance 8
    Ring Generalship 9
    Smartness 7

    Overall Score 110



    Mike Tyson
    Power 9
    Accuracy 9
    Physical Attributes 7
    Hand Speed 9
    Footwork 8
    Defense 9
    Durability 8
    Killer Instinct 9
    Outside Work 6
    Inside Work 9
    Heart 5
    Endurance 8
    Ring Generalship 8
    Smartness 6

    Overall Score 110



    Evander Holyfield
    Power 7
    Accuracy 7
    Physical Attributes 6
    Hand Speed 7
    Footwork 7
    Defense 6
    Durability 8
    Killer Instinct 8
    Outside Work 7
    Inside Work 7
    Heart 10
    Endurance 8
    Ring Generalship 8
    Smartness 6

    Overall Score 102



    Rid**** Bowe
    Power 8
    Accuracy 8
    Physical Attributes 8
    Hand Speed 6
    Footwork 6
    Defense 6
    Durability 7
    Killer Instinct 7
    Outside Work 9
    Inside Work 9
    Heart 6
    Endurance 7
    Ring Generalship 8
    Smartness 7

    Overall Score 102



    Lennox Lewis
    Power 9
    Accuracy 7
    Physical Attributes 10
    Hand Speed 6
    Footwork 6
    Defense 6
    Durability 5
    Killer Instinct 7
    Outside Work 8
    Inside Work 6
    Heart 7
    Endurance 8
    Ring Generalship 8
    Smartness 9

    Overall Score 102
  • JUYJUY
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    1. Joe Louis

    2. Muhammad Ali

    3. Larry Holmes / Mike Tyson

    5. Joe Frazier / Jack Dempsey

    7. Jack Johnson

    8. Rid**** Bowe / Evander Holyfield / Lennox Lewis

    11. Sonny Liston / George Foreman

    13. Rocky Marciano

    14. Jim Jeffries / Max Schmeling

    16. Floyd Patterson

    17. James J. Corbett / Gene Tunney

    19. J. Joe Walcott

    20. Ezzard Charles

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    • jabsRstiff
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      #3
      Dare I say it.....

      Excellent stuff, JUYJUY !

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      • jack_the_rippuh
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        #4
        Larry Holmes deserves a 10 for ring generalship.

        Mike Tyson deserves a ten for inside work and handspeed.

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        • druth
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          #5
          Now I'm not sure if this was your personal opinion, however I disagree with a few fighters and their "ratings":

          Rocky Marciano
          Power 9
          Accuracy 6
          Physical Attributes 6
          Hand Speed 6
          Footwork 6
          Defense 6
          Durability 9
          Killer Instinct 8
          Outside Work 5
          Inside Work 7
          Heart 9
          Endurance 9
          Ring Generalship 7
          Smartness 7

          Overall Score 100

          Rock should be 10 durability. He's recognized as being one of the most durable fighters in the history of the sport, regardless of the weightclass.

          His Killer Instinct should be higher. I'm not sure how many of his fights that you've seen, but he was a relentless puncher who went after someone moreso than any heavy I've seen after their opponent was hurt.

          Inside Work...you must be joking, right?

          Heart...no heavy has had more heart, and that includes Holyfield.

          Muhammad Ali
          Power 6
          Accuracy 8
          Physical Attributes 9
          Hand Speed 9
          Footwork 9
          Defense 6
          Durability 9
          Killer Instinct 6
          Outside Work 9
          Inside Work 5
          Heart 9
          Endurance 9
          Ring Generalship 10
          Smartness 7

          Overall Score 111

          Accuracy...One of the most accurate (aside from Larry Holmes and Joe Louis) heavies.

          Smartness...once again, you must be out of your mind. The most intelligent fighter I've ever seen.

          Mike Tyson
          Power 9
          Accuracy 9
          Physical Attributes 7
          Hand Speed 9
          Footwork 8
          Defense 9
          Durability 8
          Killer Instinct 9
          Outside Work 6
          Inside Work 9
          Heart 5
          Endurance 8
          Ring Generalship 8
          Smartness 6

          Overall Score 110

          Durability 8 of 10? Are we talking about the same Tyson?

          Smartness...part of this is learning to adapt your fighting technique, which Tyson NEVER did.

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          • Kid Achilles
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            #6
            Tyson deserves no higher than a 5-6 for inside fighting. Purely average. He was not an inside fighter, he just finished guys on the inside occassionally after he had put them on ***** street. He did most of his damage slipping punches on the outside range and then getting inside only to land a few punches and then out he went again.

            He was great at navigating into the inside range but did not have the skills to hang there. A mere clinch negated all of his inside fighting ability. Not what I'd call a 10 or even an 8 for that matter. Joe Louis and Dempsey would be 10 on the inside.

            Edit: BTW I appreciate you doing this and the time you spent. I just get pissed when people attribute Tyson talents and skills he did not really posses simply because he is remembered as having them as a shorter guy.
            Last edited by Kid Achilles; 09-30-2005, 11:29 AM.

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            • !! Anorak
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              #7
              An interesting thread, JuyJuy. For interests' sake, could you do the current four titlists?

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              • fight fan
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                #8
                Very interesting post very well thought out! Just my opinion for adjustments!

                Jack Johnson deserves 7-8 for power!
                Jack Dempsey deserves an 8 for physical attributes! he was over 6' 1" and had great power!
                Rocky Marciano deserves 8-9 for inside work! He was notorious for busting his opponents up on the inside and even fracturing and breaking blood vessels on forearms with punches!
                Muhammed Ali was a very smart fighter and deserving of possibly a 9 in that category!
                Joe Frazier had good physical attributes! he was a larger version of Rocky Marciano! Big enough for his era! I say 8!

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                • enadeus
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                  #9
                  Great list and well compiled. Although, I believe Foreman should be in the top 3.

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                  • Kid Achilles
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                    Also explain to me why Holyfield is the only man who had a 10 heart? Marciano and Frazier both fought through hairier situations and won. Evanders heart is a bit overrated these days. I mean he seemed to have no quit in him, but neither did most of the guys on the list. It's hard to justly say he had more heart than a guy like Marciano who fought through split noses and some of the worst cuts seen on a fighter in a heavyweight championship match.

                    I just don't see moments in Holyfield's career where he exhibited so much more heart than Marciano against Charles, Frazier against Ali, Foreman, and Bonavena, or Willard against Dempsey, Carnera vs. Baer and Louis etc. He just never got wrecked or beat up in the same way as those other guys did so we can't say for sure if he'd fight on in their situations.

                    I'd put Evander's heart at 9 and Marciano and Frazier at 10.

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