Rating All Time Heavies

[JUYJUY]

James J. Corbett
Power 5
Accuracy 7
Physical Attributes 5
Hand Speed 7
Footwork 8
Defense 7
Durability 6
Killer Instinct 6
Outside Work 8
Inside Work 7
Heart 7
Endurance 8
Ring Generalship 7
Smartness 9

Overall Score 97



Jim Jeffries
Power 7
Accuracy 6
Physical Attributes 8
Hand Speed 6
Footwork 6
Defense 7
Durability 8
Killer Instinct 8
Outside Work 7
Inside Work 7
Heart 7
Endurance 8
Ring Generalship 7
Smartness 7

Overall Score 99



Jack Johnson
Power 6
Accuracy 7
Physical Attributes 7
Hand Speed 7
Footwork 8
Defense 10
Durability 7
Killer Instinct 7
Outside Work 7
Inside Work 7
Heart 7
Endurance 8
Ring Generalship 9
Smartness 9

Overall Score 106



Jack Dempsey
Power 9
Accuracy 7
Physical Attributes 6
Hand Speed 7
Footwork 7
Defense 7
Durability 8
Killer Instinct 10
Outside Work 6
Inside Work 8
Heart 8
Endurance 9
Ring Generalship 8
Smartness 7

Overall Score 107



Gene Tunney
Power 5
Accuracy 8
Physical Attributes 6
Hand Speed 7
Footwork 8
Defense 8
Durability 7
Killer Instinct 5
Outside Work 7
Inside Work 7
Heart 7
Endurance 7
Ring Generalship 7
Smartness 8

Overall Score 97



Max Schmeling
Power 7
Accuracy 7
Physical Attributes 6
Hand Speed 6
Footwork 7
Defense 8
Durability 7
Killer Instinct 8
Outside Work 7
Inside Work 7
Heart 7
Endurance 7
Ring Generalship 7
Smartness 8

Overall Score 99



Joe Louis
Power 9
Accuracy 10
Physical Attributes 7
Hand Speed 9
Footwork 7
Defense 8
Durability 7
Killer Instinct 10
Outside Work 8
Inside Work 10
Heart 8
Endurance 8
Ring Generalship 10
Smartness 9

Overall Score 120



Ezzard Charles
Power 5
Accuracy 7
Physical Attributes 6
Hand Speed 8
Footwork 8
Defense 6
Durability 6
Killer Instinct 5
Outside Work 7
Inside Work 8
Heart 7
Endurance 8
Ring Generalship 7
Smartness 7

Overall Score 95



J. Joe Walcott
Power 7
Accuracy 7
Physical Attributes 6
Hand Speed 7
Footwork 7
Defense 7
Durability 6
Killer Instinct 7
Outside Work 6
Inside Work 7
Heart 7
Endurance 7
Ring Generalship 7
Smartness 8

Overall Score 96



Rocky Marciano
Power 9
Accuracy 6
Physical Attributes 6
Hand Speed 6
Footwork 6
Defense 6
Durability 9
Killer Instinct 8
Outside Work 5
Inside Work 7
Heart 9
Endurance 9
Ring Generalship 7
Smartness 7

Overall Score 100



Floyd Patterson
Power 7
Accuracy 8
Physical Attributes 6
Hand Speed 10
Footwork 7
Defense 7
Durability 4
Killer Instinct 7
Outside Work 6
Inside Work 8
Heart 8
Endurance 7
Ring Generalship 7
Smartness 6

Overall Score 98



Sonny Liston
Power 10
Accuracy 7
Physical Attributes 8
Hand Speed 6
Footwork 7
Defense 7
Durability 8
Killer Instinct 9
Outside Work 6
Inside Work 7
Heart 6
Endurance 7
Ring Generalship 7
Smartness 6

Overall Score 101



Muhammad Ali
Power 6
Accuracy 8
Physical Attributes 9
Hand Speed 9
Footwork 9
Defense 6
Durability 9
Killer Instinct 6
Outside Work 9
Inside Work 5
Heart 9
Endurance 9
Ring Generalship 10
Smartness 7

Overall Score 111



Joe Frazier
Power 9
Accuracy 7
Physical Attributes 6
Hand Speed 7
Footwork 7
Defense 8
Durability 8
Killer Instinct 9
Outside Work 5
Inside Work 9
Heart 9
Endurance 9
Ring Generalship 8
Smartness 6

Overall Score 107



George Foreman
Power 10
Accuracy 6
Physical Attributes 9
Hand Speed 6
Footwork 6
Defense 6
Durability 9
Killer Instinct 9
Outside Work 7
Inside Work 7
Heart 7
Endurance 6
Ring Generalship 7
Smartness 6

Overall Score 101



Larry Holmes
Power 7
Accuracy 8
Physical Attributes 8
Hand Speed 8
Footwork 8
Defense 7
Durability 9
Killer Instinct 7
Outside Work 9
Inside Work 7
Heart 8
Endurance 8
Ring Generalship 9
Smartness 7

Overall Score 110



Mike Tyson
Power 9
Accuracy 9
Physical Attributes 7
Hand Speed 9
Footwork 8
Defense 9
Durability 8
Killer Instinct 9
Outside Work 6
Inside Work 9
Heart 5
Endurance 8
Ring Generalship 8
Smartness 6

Overall Score 110



Evander Holyfield
Power 7
Accuracy 7
Physical Attributes 6
Hand Speed 7
Footwork 7
Defense 6
Durability 8
Killer Instinct 8
Outside Work 7
Inside Work 7
Heart 10
Endurance 8
Ring Generalship 8
Smartness 6

Overall Score 102



Rid**** Bowe
Power 8
Accuracy 8
Physical Attributes 8
Hand Speed 6
Footwork 6
Defense 6
Durability 7
Killer Instinct 7
Outside Work 9
Inside Work 9
Heart 6
Endurance 7
Ring Generalship 8
Smartness 7

Overall Score 102



Lennox Lewis
Power 9
Accuracy 7
Physical Attributes 10
Hand Speed 6
Footwork 6
Defense 6
Durability 5
Killer Instinct 7
Outside Work 8
Inside Work 6
Heart 7
Endurance 8
Ring Generalship 8
Smartness 9

Overall Score 102

[JUYJUY]

1. Joe Louis

2. Muhammad Ali

3. Larry Holmes / Mike Tyson

5. Joe Frazier / Jack Dempsey

7. Jack Johnson

8. Rid**** Bowe / Evander Holyfield / Lennox Lewis

11. Sonny Liston / George Foreman

13. Rocky Marciano

14. Jim Jeffries / Max Schmeling

16. Floyd Patterson

17. James J. Corbett / Gene Tunney

19. J. Joe Walcott

20. Ezzard Charles

[jabsRstiff]

Dare I say it.....

Excellent stuff, JUYJUY !

[jack_the_rippuh]

Larry Holmes deserves a 10 for ring generalship.

Mike Tyson deserves a ten for inside work and handspeed.

[druth]

Now I'm not sure if this was your personal opinion, however I disagree with a few fighters and their "ratings":

Rocky Marciano
Power 9
Accuracy 6
Physical Attributes 6
Hand Speed 6
Footwork 6
Defense 6
Durability 9
Killer Instinct 8
Outside Work 5
Inside Work 7
Heart 9
Endurance 9
Ring Generalship 7
Smartness 7

Overall Score 100

Rock should be 10 durability. He's recognized as being one of the most durable fighters in the history of the sport, regardless of the weightclass.

His Killer Instinct should be higher. I'm not sure how many of his fights that you've seen, but he was a relentless puncher who went after someone moreso than any heavy I've seen after their opponent was hurt.

Inside Work...you must be joking, right?

Heart...no heavy has had more heart, and that includes Holyfield.

Muhammad Ali
Power 6
Accuracy 8
Physical Attributes 9
Hand Speed 9
Footwork 9
Defense 6
Durability 9
Killer Instinct 6
Outside Work 9
Inside Work 5
Heart 9
Endurance 9
Ring Generalship 10
Smartness 7

Overall Score 111

Accuracy...One of the most accurate (aside from Larry Holmes and Joe Louis) heavies.

Smartness...once again, you must be out of your mind. The most intelligent fighter I've ever seen.

Mike Tyson
Power 9
Accuracy 9
Physical Attributes 7
Hand Speed 9
Footwork 8
Defense 9
Durability 8
Killer Instinct 9
Outside Work 6
Inside Work 9
Heart 5
Endurance 8
Ring Generalship 8
Smartness 6

Overall Score 110

Durability 8 of 10? Are we talking about the same Tyson?

Smartness...part of this is learning to adapt your fighting technique, which Tyson NEVER did.

[Kid Achilles]

Tyson deserves no higher than a 5-6 for inside fighting. Purely average. He was not an inside fighter, he just finished guys on the inside occassionally after he had put them on ***** street. He did most of his damage slipping punches on the outside range and then getting inside only to land a few punches and then out he went again.

He was great at navigating into the inside range but did not have the skills to hang there. A mere clinch negated all of his inside fighting ability. Not what I'd call a 10 or even an 8 for that matter. Joe Louis and Dempsey would be 10 on the inside.

Edit: BTW I appreciate you doing this and the time you spent. I just get pissed when people attribute Tyson talents and skills he did not really posses simply because he is remembered as having them as a shorter guy.

[Guest]

An interesting thread, JuyJuy. For interests' sake, could you do the current four titlists?

[fight fan]

Very interesting post very well thought out! Just my opinion for adjustments!

Jack Johnson deserves 7-8 for power!
Jack Dempsey deserves an 8 for physical attributes! he was over 6' 1" and had great power!
Rocky Marciano deserves 8-9 for inside work! He was notorious for busting his opponents up on the inside and even fracturing and breaking blood vessels on forearms with punches!
Muhammed Ali was a very smart fighter and deserving of possibly a 9 in that category!
Joe Frazier had good physical attributes! he was a larger version of Rocky Marciano! Big enough for his era! I say 8!

[enadeus]

Great list and well compiled. Although, I believe Foreman should be in the top 3.

[Kid Achilles]

Also explain to me why Holyfield is the only man who had a 10 heart? Marciano and Frazier both fought through hairier situations and won. Evanders heart is a bit overrated these days. I mean he seemed to have no quit in him, but neither did most of the guys on the list. It's hard to justly say he had more heart than a guy like Marciano who fought through split noses and some of the worst cuts seen on a fighter in a heavyweight championship match.

I just don't see moments in Holyfield's career where he exhibited so much more heart than Marciano against Charles, Frazier against Ali, Foreman, and Bonavena, or Willard against Dempsey, Carnera vs. Baer and Louis etc. He just never got wrecked or beat up in the same way as those other guys did so we can't say for sure if he'd fight on in their situations.

I'd put Evander's heart at 9 and Marciano and Frazier at 10.