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So Why Was Ortiz Chosen Over Martinez again?
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Originally posted by WALDO. View PostI think Ortiz like Cotto is a different animal at 147. I don't know, I thought that was obvious...
If you would've asked how a Mayweather-Ortiz fight would go a few days before the Berto fight, you'd get more honest answers.
People overrating Ortiz skills just because he has a FOTY under his belt against what most people thought a protected untested opponent in Berto.
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Originally posted by WALDO. View PostHe wouldn't be an underdog against Pacquiao, so really, that doesn't mean a thing. To answer your question, Corrales I think.
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Originally posted by ThePunchingBag View PostSo obvious from only 1 fight at 147?
If you would've asked how a Mayweather-Ortiz fight would go a few days before the Berto fight, you'd get more honest answers.
People overrating Ortiz skills just because he has a FOTY under his belt against what most people thought a protected untested opponent in Berto.
He looked stronger, better stamina, even in one fight I can honestly say he's a much better WW than he is a Jr WW. Even Mayweather acknowledges that.Last edited by Doctor_Tenma; 06-08-2011, 03:19 AM.
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Originally posted by WALDO. View PostNo, I think Floyd has this one in the bag, the only thing I'm still questioning is Ortiz's heart, now if Ortiz somehow continued to handle adversity the way he did against Berto (And he'll have to do it against Floyd too) then I can honestly say Victor is a solid WW, a good skilled fighter.
He looked stronger, better stamina, even in one fight I can honestly say he's a much better WW than he is a Jr WW. Even Mayweather acknowledges that.
It would still be a farcry from coming close to matching Pac or Mayweather in that division. Is it a good win for Mayweather? Sure, but at this point most of the boxing public is looking for Mayweather to fight the top dogs and retire.
Same for Pac, which is why both of them get heat from the media and boxing fans alike.
I can see where you are coming from. Ortiz did look better so I'll give you that.
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How is this a tune up? WBC WW champion and is a top WW (He looked 10x better than when he was at 140). It was a different ORtiz @ 140 too. He'll make more $ with Ortiz too imo. Not long ago people were saying he would never take a fight with Ortiz cause he's too dangerous, young and hungry now all of a sudden he's not all that?
Are we forgetting Khan and Pac getting KO'd? They came back and redeemed themselves, Ortiz is no different he did a lot to shut his critics up. Even the pessimistic pac loving Dan Rafael could find no fault in this match up, if you have a problem with this match up your problem lies somewhere else.
If you would've asked how a Mayweather-Ortiz fight would go a few days before the Berto fight, you'd get more honest answers.
Same for Pac, which is why both of them get heat from the media and boxing fans alike.Last edited by Phil Ivey; 06-08-2011, 04:12 AM.
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Originally posted by 2501 View PostWe've already established that the Pacquiao camp are afraid to fight Martinez. But why did Mayweather also avoid Martinez now?
If the answer is, "because he needed a tune up", then why is this fight going to be PPV? Why will they charge people to watch a tune up? Is it going to be promoted as a tune up or is Ortiz going to be marketed as a challenge for Floyd?
If it IS a challenge for Floyd, why not then choose the BEST fight out there? The biggest challenge for Floyd which would be Martinez? Or is Ortiz a better, bigger risk than Martinez now?
Isn't there a patter developing here from Floyd?
Retirement.
come back from retirement and choose an opponent with no chance, less risk, but can be marketable to maximize revenue.
Go into limbo
Come back and take a considerable challenge, make money.
Then go into retirement once again.
come back from retirement and choose an opponent with no chance, less risk, but can be marketable to maximize revenue.
So basically, within 3 years, Floyd's only would have 3 fights. 2 of them which offer no severe challenge or risk.
Does it not seem like Floyd is scamming the **** out of fans and the sport just like Pacquiao has?
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