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  • #11
    Originally posted by ThePunchingBag View Post
    Only thing Ortiz has going for him is Floyd's lay off.

    This is Ortiz-Peterson only ten times worse for Ortiz.
    I think Ortiz like Cotto is a different animal at 147. I don't know, I thought that was obvious...

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    • #12
      Originally posted by WALDO. View Post
      I think Ortiz like Cotto is a different animal at 147. I don't know, I thought that was obvious...
      So obvious from only 1 fight at 147?

      If you would've asked how a Mayweather-Ortiz fight would go a few days before the Berto fight, you'd get more honest answers.

      People overrating Ortiz skills just because he has a FOTY under his belt against what most people thought a protected untested opponent in Berto.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by WALDO. View Post
        He wouldn't be an underdog against Pacquiao, so really, that doesn't mean a thing. To answer your question, Corrales I think.
        Well you are referring about fighting Sergio. And yes he will be a slight favorite against Pacquiao but it's still a great risk. Great accomplishment comess from a great risk. I have not seen that from Floyd.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by ThePunchingBag View Post
          So obvious from only 1 fight at 147?

          If you would've asked how a Mayweather-Ortiz fight would go a few days before the Berto fight, you'd get more honest answers.

          People overrating Ortiz skills just because he has a FOTY under his belt against what most people thought a protected untested opponent in Berto.
          No, I think Floyd has this one in the bag, the only thing I'm still questioning is Ortiz's heart, now if Ortiz somehow continued to handle adversity the way he did against Berto (And he'll have to do it against Floyd too) then I can honestly say Victor is a solid WW, a good skilled fighter.

          He looked stronger, better stamina, even in one fight I can honestly say he's a much better WW than he is a Jr WW. Even Mayweather acknowledges that.
          Last edited by Doctor_Tenma; 06-08-2011, 03:19 AM.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by WALDO. View Post
            No, I think Floyd has this one in the bag, the only thing I'm still questioning is Ortiz's heart, now if Ortiz somehow continued to handle adversity the way he did against Berto (And he'll have to do it against Floyd too) then I can honestly say Victor is a solid WW, a good skilled fighter.

            He looked stronger, better stamina, even in one fight I can honestly say he's a much better WW than he is a Jr WW. Even Mayweather acknowledges that.
            Even if it was all true.

            It would still be a farcry from coming close to matching Pac or Mayweather in that division. Is it a good win for Mayweather? Sure, but at this point most of the boxing public is looking for Mayweather to fight the top dogs and retire.

            Same for Pac, which is why both of them get heat from the media and boxing fans alike.

            I can see where you are coming from. Ortiz did look better so I'll give you that.

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            • #16
              Sergio Martinez is really to big for May and Pac.

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              • #17
                The same reason why Manny fought, Shane, Margarito and now Jmm.

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                • #18
                  How is this a tune up? WBC WW champion and is a top WW (He looked 10x better than when he was at 140). It was a different ORtiz @ 140 too. He'll make more $ with Ortiz too imo. Not long ago people were saying he would never take a fight with Ortiz cause he's too dangerous, young and hungry now all of a sudden he's not all that?

                  Are we forgetting Khan and Pac getting KO'd? They came back and redeemed themselves, Ortiz is no different he did a lot to shut his critics up. Even the pessimistic pac loving Dan Rafael could find no fault in this match up, if you have a problem with this match up your problem lies somewhere else.

                  If you would've asked how a Mayweather-Ortiz fight would go a few days before the Berto fight, you'd get more honest answers.
                  Of course and he proved us wrong, its like saying Khan would've coped against a puncher before Maidana, most were very skeptical about his chin. The doubt in Ortiz was his heart not his skills or w/e, I think he answered that in the Berto fight where he took some vicious shots and kept on moving on like we've never seen him do before. Anyone with a pair of eyes would realize he's much more suited @ 147 than 140, even Roach has been telling him for YEARS, so yes 1 fight is enough to make that call.

                  Same for Pac, which is why both of them get heat from the media and boxing fans alike.
                  Did you criticize the Pac-Marquez 3 fight ? If not that's incredibly transparent.
                  Last edited by Phil Ivey; 06-08-2011, 04:12 AM.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by 2501 View Post
                    We've already established that the Pacquiao camp are afraid to fight Martinez. But why did Mayweather also avoid Martinez now?
                    If the answer is, "because he needed a tune up", then why is this fight going to be PPV? Why will they charge people to watch a tune up? Is it going to be promoted as a tune up or is Ortiz going to be marketed as a challenge for Floyd?

                    If it IS a challenge for Floyd, why not then choose the BEST fight out there? The biggest challenge for Floyd which would be Martinez? Or is Ortiz a better, bigger risk than Martinez now?

                    Isn't there a patter developing here from Floyd?

                    Retirement.

                    come back from retirement and choose an opponent with no chance, less risk, but can be marketable to maximize revenue.

                    Go into limbo

                    Come back and take a considerable challenge, make money.

                    Then go into retirement once again.

                    come back from retirement and choose an opponent with no chance, less risk, but can be marketable to maximize revenue.

                    So basically, within 3 years, Floyd's only would have 3 fights. 2 of them which offer no severe challenge or risk.

                    Does it not seem like Floyd is scamming the **** out of fans and the sport just like Pacquiao has?
                    Simple. Martinez is not a Golden Boy fighter.

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                    • #20
                      Because Sergio doesn't have a big following or a whole country behind him like Ortiz.

                      Mayweather vs. A Mexican, always sells.

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