Can Victor Ortiz beat Floyd Mayweather Jr? Official Poll!

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  • DrewWoodside
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    #91
    Originally posted by The Gambler1981
    I think running around plays more to Ortiz's liking, Ortiz likes to take his time and have his space.

    I think Ortiz would expect Floyd to move away, most fans would expect him to move away, so if he goes in that would be unexpected and even if he only does it a few times it will get Ortiz thinking thus giving Floyd more time to do his thing in other areas.

    Bulling him back is probably unwise because Ortiz is likely stronger but frustrating him making him want to seek space and time accomplishes the same thing in the end.
    I think tactically it makes sense to surprise Ortiz, even if only in spots. I think he'll do it, but somewhat sparingly. I just wonder if Mayweather imagines himself fighting that kind of fight at this stage. Imo there are still definitely question marks on if inactivity has had any effect on him. It's in no way the same situation, but he didn't even opt to walk toward Hatton until he had taken enough shine off him with strong counters..

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    • Sage84
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      #92
      Nobody around at the moment (including Manny) beats Floyd. Best of his generation, he has just wasted some of that potential.

      Not arse licking or being a "*****" (oh, whoever uses the terms '*****' and '*******' need to grow up) I just believe he is the best around, and has been for the last 10 years or so.

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      • chiguy91
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        #93
        haha, i think he has a slim chance, but i hope he does. how great would it be if ortiz shocked the world and beat floyd, just imagine? haha, i wonder if pac would fight him afterwards....hopefully ortiz wouldn't ask for ost.

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        • The Gambler1981
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          #94
          Originally posted by DrewWoodside
          I think tactically it makes sense to surprise Ortiz, even if only in spots. I think he'll do it, but somewhat sparingly. I just wonder if Mayweather imagines himself fighting that kind of fight at this stage. Imo there are still definitely question marks on if inactivity has had any effect on him. It's in no way the same situation, but he didn't even opt to walk toward Hatton until he had taken enough shine off him with strong counters..
          Hatton is more of an inside fighter than Ortiz but the end game would be roughly the same eventually get him to go backwards because that is not how the guy fights but the path to that point would probably be a bit different, aside from it being a fairly slow methodical process of breaking down Ortiz.

          It will be interesting to see how Mayweather approaches the fight.

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          • DrewWoodside
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            #95
            Originally posted by The Gambler1981
            Hatton is more of an inside fighter than Ortiz but the end game would be roughly the same eventually get him to go backwards because that is not how the guy fights but the path to that point would probably be a bit different, aside from it being a fairly slow methodical process of breaking down Ortiz.

            It will be interesting to see how Mayweather approaches the fight.
            One thing's for sure, it's only a matter of days(or hours) before Oscar tells the boxing world. "Based on my fight with Floyd, I'm picking Ortiz to win." Par for the course for a promoter, but always a bit weak from Oscar imo.

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            • TRAV1$
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              #96
              Yes
              He's a big bastard that could well walk down Floyd for the 12 rounds, and has the power to hurt him... whether he lands on him is another matter, but he's got the physical ability for sure.

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              • Wazaa..
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                #97
                I think its a 50/50 fight. Ortiz is in his prime now, he's a quick southpaw with power and has renewed confidence.

                Floyd is inactive and going on 34. Ortiz could outwork him and drop him a few times en route to winning a decision.

                This is a very hard fight for Floyd.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Wazaa..
                  I think its a 50/50 fight. Ortiz is in his prime now, he's a quick southpaw with power and has renewed confidence.

                  Floyd is inactive and going on 34. Ortiz could outwork him and drop him a few times en route to winning a decision.

                  This is a very hard fight for Floyd.
                  It's a tough fight, but it's still Floyd's fight to lose. 50/50 is overboard. My first reaction was around 70/30 in Floyd's favor, and the more I think about it. That was way overboard.

                  Floyd's skillset is so vastly superior to Ortiz, I'd be surprised if the ******** odds aren't completely skewed in Mayweather's favor. As of 3:44 EST I'm thinking this fight is about a 20% chance for an Ortiz victory, and I'm expecting that # to decrease.

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                  • Wazaa..
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                    #99
                    Originally posted by DrewWoodside
                    It's a tough fight, but it's still Floyd's fight to lose. 50/50 is overboard. My first reaction was around 70/30 in Floyd's favor, and the more I think about it. That was way overboard.

                    Floyd's skillset is so vastly superior to Ortiz, I'd be surprised if the ******** odds aren't completely skewed in Mayweather's favor. As of 3:44 EST I'm thinking this fight is about a 20% chance for an Ortiz victory, and I'm expecting that # to decrease.
                    I think 50/50 because the last time he fought a good fighter in his physical prime was Castillo and he lost that fight. If Judah had a championship makeup he might've lost that fight too. He will also have trouble with Ortiz's left hand, size and pressure.

                    If you judge Floyd by the Baldomirs and old Mosley's then I guess nobody can beat him but he's very beatable when matched against non stiffs.

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                      #100
                      Originally posted by Wazaa..
                      I think 50/50 because the last time he fought a good fighter in his physical prime was Castillo and he lost that fight. If Judah had a championship makeup he might've lost that fight too. He will also have trouble with Ortiz's left hand, size and pressure.

                      If you judge Floyd by the Baldomirs and old Mosley's then I guess nobody can beat him but he's very beatable when matched against non stiffs.
                      How was Ricky Hatton not in his prime? Also, Ortiz has appeared more than crude at times. He has difficulty avoiding straight rights, and doesn't really use a jab. He will be eating right hands like tuna melts.

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