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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    Comments Thread For: Fighting Words: Not Done Yet, Super Six Successful So Far

    by David P. Greisman - We began Showtime’s “Super Six” super middleweight tournament about a year and a half ago with six fighters and the promise of 12 fights between them.

    Not everything went as planned.

    Three of the original contestants dropped out. One fight got called off. We’ve now had eight fighters and a total of 10 fights, and we have one final bout left to go.

    We are still where we wanted to be.

    In Andre Ward and Carl Froch, the two finalists have earned recognition as two of the three best fighters in the 168-pound division. The winner of their fight will then be one of the two best, with a mandate to face the other, Lucian Bute, and momentum carrying them toward that very bout.

    We’re not there yet – and lord knows Murphy’s Law could strike again – but we’re close enough to summarize the successes and lessons of the “Super Six.”

    1. The tournament brought us fights we otherwise might never have seen.

    Location. Money. Ego.

    Those are three significant obstacles that can get in the way of the best fighting the best.

    Boxers who have world titles and who pack in crowds at home often seem less willing to leave the comforts of home behind, whether they are heading to enemy territory or a neutral battleground.

    They will bicker over who deserves the lion’s share of the money, and they will bristle over whether the prospective opponent deserves a shot.

    There was still some bristling, but the Super Six brought us Mikkel Kessler and Arthur Abraham traveling to California to face Andre Ward; Andre Dirrell going to Nottingham in the United Kingdom to challenge Carl Froch; and Froch fighting Kessler in his native Denmark and meeting Abraham and Glen Johnson at neutral sites in Finland and the United States.

    Andre Ward faced Kessler, Allan Green and Abraham and will now fight Froch. Kessler fought Ward and Froch. And Froch fought Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham and Glen Johnson en route to the final bout with Ward.

    How often do top fighters face that many other top fighters in such a short span?

    2. The “Super Six” format is better than a single-elimination tournament.

    It took all sorts of logistical planning and massaging of egos and negotiating to make this tournament happen. The format of the “Super Six” helped make it happen.

    The tournament promised a round-robin style opening, with three “group stage” fights. That way, fighters and promoters could compromise when it came to location, money and ego – there were at least three guaranteed paydays, and a loss wouldn’t necessarily derail a boxer’s career.

    Andre Dirrell lost to Carl Froch in an aesthetically ugly and controversial fight, but he came back to impress against Arthur Abraham. Froch lost to Kessler but put together a string of victories afterward to prove that he belongs in the tournament final.

    Dirrell might never have been seen on television again after the Froch travesty; this format allowed a chance to redeem himself. Froch’s close loss to Kessler generally would’ve sent him into a prolonged battle back into contention and the title picture. Instead, he has remained in the spotlight and quickly climbed back up the ladder.

    We praise the unofficial round robin that we got in the ‘80s with the “Four Kings,” Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler and Roberto Duran. This tournament tightened up the timing and gave the super middleweight division a storyline, structure and direction.

    3. A “Super Six”-style tournament probably won’t happen again.

    All the planning and massaging and negotiating that proved so necessary could scare away potential sequels.

    It’s a lot to ask fighters to tie up the next two years of their careers and to face potentially difficult challenges back to back to back (and, for those moving on past the group stage, up to five hard fights in a row).

    It’s still cleaner to set up a tournament in the manner of Showtime’s recent bantamweight tournament: four fighters, single elimination. Though such a setup means first-round losers might unfairly be written off as not among the best in their weight class, the planning is admittedly easier and the tournament concludes quicker. [Click Here To Read More]
  • texasboi15
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    Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP
    by David P. Greisman - We began Showtime’s “Super Six” super middleweight tournament about a year and a half ago with six fighters and the promise of 12 fights between them.

    Not everything went as planned.

    Three of the original contestants dropped out. One fight got called off. We’ve now had eight fighters and a total of 10 fights, and we have one final bout left to go.

    We are still where we wanted to be.

    In Andre Ward and Carl Froch, the two finalists have earned recognition as two of the three best fighters in the 168-pound division. The winner of their fight will then be one of the two best, with a mandate to face the other, Lucian Bute, and momentum carrying them toward that very bout.

    We’re not there yet – and lord knows Murphy’s Law could strike again – but we’re close enough to summarize the successes and lessons of the “Super Six.”

    1. The tournament brought us fights we otherwise might never have seen.

    Location. Money. Ego.

    Those are three significant obstacles that can get in the way of the best fighting the best.

    Boxers who have world titles and who pack in crowds at home often seem less willing to leave the comforts of home behind, whether they are heading to enemy territory or a neutral battleground.

    They will bicker over who deserves the lion’s share of the money, and they will bristle over whether the prospective opponent deserves a shot.

    There was still some bristling, but the Super Six brought us Mikkel Kessler and Arthur Abraham traveling to California to face Andre Ward; Andre Dirrell going to Nottingham in the United Kingdom to challenge Carl Froch; and Froch fighting Kessler in his native Denmark and meeting Abraham and Glen Johnson at neutral sites in Finland and the United States.

    Andre Ward faced Kessler, Allan Green and Abraham and will now fight Froch. Kessler fought Ward and Froch. And Froch fought Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham and Glen Johnson en route to the final bout with Ward.

    How often do top fighters face that many other top fighters in such a short span?

    2. The “Super Six” format is better than a single-elimination tournament.

    It took all sorts of logistical planning and massaging of egos and negotiating to make this tournament happen. The format of the “Super Six” helped make it happen.

    The tournament promised a round-robin style opening, with three “group stage” fights. That way, fighters and promoters could compromise when it came to location, money and ego – there were at least three guaranteed paydays, and a loss wouldn’t necessarily derail a boxer’s career.

    Andre Dirrell lost to Carl Froch in an aesthetically ugly and controversial fight, but he came back to impress against Arthur Abraham. Froch lost to Kessler but put together a string of victories afterward to prove that he belongs in the tournament final.

    Dirrell might never have been seen on television again after the Froch travesty; this format allowed a chance to redeem himself. Froch’s close loss to Kessler generally would’ve sent him into a prolonged battle back into contention and the title picture. Instead, he has remained in the spotlight and quickly climbed back up the ladder.

    We praise the unofficial round robin that we got in the ‘80s with the “Four Kings,” Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler and Roberto Duran. This tournament tightened up the timing and gave the super middleweight division a storyline, structure and direction.

    3. A “Super Six”-style tournament probably won’t happen again.

    All the planning and massaging and negotiating that proved so necessary could scare away potential sequels.

    It’s a lot to ask fighters to tie up the next two years of their careers and to face potentially difficult challenges back to back to back (and, for those moving on past the group stage, up to five hard fights in a row).

    It’s still cleaner to set up a tournament in the manner of Showtime’s recent bantamweight tournament: four fighters, single elimination. Though such a setup means first-round losers might unfairly be written off as not among the best in their weight class, the planning is admittedly easier and the tournament concludes quicker. [Click Here To Read More]
    would love for hbo to do a tournament. perhaps at 160 or 140? a quick thought in response to the 10count: though i am a mayweather supporter, i don't believe in beating a dead horse. these accusations and lawsuits have gone on long enough. it's time to fight. us mayweathers and pacquiaos debate and argue everyday furiously and we deserve some closure. seriously. we've been waiting for this fight a long time. its time to fight.
    Last edited by texasboi15; 06-06-2011, 06:46 AM.

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    • budhram
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      The Super Six has been a tremendous success on a fan's perspective. W'e've seen top competition after top competition. The like would've never happened had it not been for this tournament. You have got to appreciate it when the fans are often fed Khan vs. McClosky, Chavez vs. Zbik, Bute vs. Magee, Pacquiao vs. Mosley, and the list goes on. We get to see how deep the division is when at the onset at the tournament the best were considered to be Abraham and Kessler.
      I also believe Ward and Froch are two of the top three super middleweights, but Bute hasn't proven himself just yet. You can make the same case for all the pundits crowning Abraham and Kessler champion without the first punch being thrown. Bute should fight someone who came out of the super six in order to get to the champion.

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