Its a travesty, zbik got robbed!!!

[MARKBNLV]

Chavez didnt do much. Should check those judges. I Knew this is going to happen, they should make a rematch

Beating someone in the body so bad there calling low blow every 30 secs is not being robbed,i had it 115-113 Jr effective punching won the fight.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Beating someone in the body so bad there calling low blow every 30 secs is not being robbed,i had it 115-113 Jr effective punching won the fight.

That's because your not a troll of a little ****** ass kid....

Which is what this place is now dominated by.

[deuce_drop]

Do I give a ****? Boxing is about inflicting damage on your opponent. If he can't hurt him, he needs to look impressive in other ways.

And that's the thing, other than landing more punches, Zbik had NOTHING going for him. He probably COULD have boxed circles around Jr. But nope, after round 3 he just stood toe-to-toe, letting Chavez rip him to the body, and then throwing a weak ass 3 punch combo.

So yes, I have to give it to Chavez. His defense was absolutely atrocious, but considering Zbik had nothing - he really didn't have to worry about it. He just leaned forward and ripped away at Zbik's body...AND ZBIK LET HIM.

So yes, Chavez deserved the win.

i really didn't see jr land anything clean, i was laughing as zbik was landing and hbo wasn't saying nada but when jr threw anything that was remotely close they commented on it....


but seriously, how can the really effectively call this fight, jr never had dude hurt, he sure as hell didn't TAKE THE BELT AWAY, the only thing that made it possible was his size......

there is only so much a middleweight can do against a cruiserweight, especially when the middleweight is a light puncher.

granted the geographic of the fight didn't favor zbik but he was catching and trapping a lot of shots and was outlanding with shots.........


jr was about as big as pascal in there tonight............. this robbery means nothing as a win, just another injustice in boxing, from the weight disparity to the scoring........ and it was that 15lbs that made zbiks punches look like nothing, not chavez himself..... all chavez did was get out landed by the smaller guy..........

and as for the bigger guy, why did chavez struggle so much and not physically dominate?? maybe because he was too busy eating dudes punches..........

zbik won the fight if you're scoring the fight in real fight terms........... the outcome is some fantasy island bullshidt.......

[MARKBNLV]

That's because your not a troll of a little ****** ass kid....

Which is what this place is now dominated by.

No i am not at the same time i was not impressed Freddie Roach has not done sht with him skill wise,he leans in far to much and does not use his size,i do see a warriors heart in him though.

[M Deezy]

zbik landed muc hmore shot. chavez landed much less BUT alot more effectice power shots. and i think thats what the judges looked at. not who outlanded the opponent but the fighter who landed the more effective looking shots.

[MARKBNLV]

zbik landed muc hmore shot. chavez landed much less BUT alot more effectice power shots. and i think thats what the judges looked at. not who outlanded the opponent but the fighter who landed the more effective looking shots.

And thats how it should be like his dad he took 3 to land 1.

[Marduke]

I really don't see why you keep bringing up size difference...So Zbik should get a handicap on the scorecards because Jr rehydrated to a heavier weight?

I don't get it...why do you keep bringing it up like it should be factored AT ALL into the scorecards.


Zbik landed more. Jr landed more effective punches.



Go watch amateur fights if number of punches landed means everything to you.

Fact is, other than number of punches landed, Zbik was not impressive at all. He didn't out-do Jr in any other way. If you can't hurt someone, you need to atleast outbox them. He just stood toe-to-toe.

[deuce_drop]

it's this fight right here like many others that make me support Philadelphia in the same day weigh ins on fight night........

because in the case of the cruiser weight coming into the middleweight division, those weak pitter patter punches zbik was landing on the cruiserweight would've had an effect...........

had the fight been the same day as the weigh in, jr would've never made it the 6th round.........

[Marduke]

it's this fight right here like many others that make me support Philadelphia in the same day weigh ins on fight night........

because in the case of the cruiser weight coming into the middleweight division, those weak pitter patter punches zbik was landing on the cruiserweight would've had an effect...........

had the fight been the same day as the weigh in, jr would've never made it the 6th round.........

Probably so, but you can't fault Jr for playing by the rules...

And you can't give Zbik a handicap on the scorecards because of it either.


Again though, if you can't hurt your opponent, you atleast need to outbox them. Zbik seemed to give up on that idea early on, and just let Jr stick his head into his chest. He could have boxed circles around Jr and just landed easily all night.

I really don't get why you're so impressed with Zbik.

[VanillaIce]

Don't the judges use 4 criterias to score fights...

Effective agression, defense, clean punching, and ring generalship?

Zbik was landing the cleaner punches, but Chavez forced him to fight his fight. Both guys were agressive but Chavez was obviously more effective at taking the fight inside. Defense was pretty bad on both sides. Zbik couldn't stop the body attack and Chavez blocked most of the punches with his face.

Nothing about this fight is a robbery. This isn't the amateurs. Landing more punches doesn't necessarily mean you get the round. This fight wasn't anything close to a robbery.

Yes sir u said it right.. i had it a draw. but maybe i gave it to Julio. cuz he won the chamipionship rounds, and seemed to want it more, it was a terrible performance by both