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  • I wish Chad Dawson can look like this again.





    Maybe Emmanuel can?
    Last edited by Boxingwizard; 05-28-2011, 12:00 AM.

  • #2
    He's fought scared it seems like ever since he got clocked by Adamek and got rocked a few times by Johnson. Oh well though right?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Iceta Lives View Post
      He's fought scared it seems like ever since he got clocked by Adamek and got rocked a few times by Johnson. Oh well though right?
      He looked great against Adamek, just like he did against Harding. He wasn't rocked by Adamek he just got knocked down in a fight that was almost Calzaghe-Lacy like.

      He went to war with Johnson and was never knocked down and beat him twice, how is he scared?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Boxingwizard View Post
        He looked great against Adamek, just like he did against Harding. He wasn't rocked by Adamek he just got knocked down in a fight that was almost Calzaghe-Lacy like.

        He went to war with Johnson and was never knocked down and beat him twice, how is he scared?
        He's the same fighter.. just look at what's been happening.

        Against harding the fight is at his pace. He is allowed to admire his work (a flaw he has) and pose everytime he lands a punch. He can be content with landing 1punch at a time. He isn't forced to move forward or throw while moving, he can reset at will. This is where he shines.

        The questions lied in the first Johnson fight where he was given a gift. Johnson worked and never allowed him to get set and admire his work. He didn't allow chad to pose and think it was ok to be content with 1 punch at a time. We found out here that Chads poise is his best asset. He has holes in his defense and doesn't punch back, because he needs to reset every time before throwing.

        Then comes the pascal fight. Perpetual movement side to side and scaling the ropes. We found out here that Chad can not punch WHILE MOVING, he prefers BE SET and dictate the pace. We found out in the first Johnson fight he has trouble punching WITH his opponent so Pascal, on paper, has Chads number. Non stop moving, Chad cant punch while MOVING. And firing off hard power punches in spurts.... keeping Chad on the DEFENSIVE whenever he actually was set.

        The game plan is the same as Hopkins/Pavlik and Ward/kessler, difference being Dawson doesn't only throw straights. He's the same fighter.. but the competition has been upped and now his flaws are being exploited.

        Now we know what he needs to work on to reign in the division (168-175) He needs to work on punching while moving, definitely. Because Hopkins, Pascal, Ward, Bute, Dirrel and Sillakh will all move laterally on him, Froch would As well.

        He needs to work on punching WITH his opponent. Because Pascal, Hopkins, Cloud, Despaigne, Froch and Kessler.


        None of these men will let Chad dictate the pace and admire his work. These are things he'll need to work on, or all of the above give him hell.

        On top of all of that, he isn't a 12 round fighter. He slows down far too much after the 6th. He has to impose his will better. He's too big a guy not to.

        Ismayl Sillakh is the future of the division though, so it doesn't matter.

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        • #5
          Regardless of where he's career goes from here the Adamek fight will remain a masterpiece.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by intoccabile View Post
            Ismayl Sillakh is the future of the division though, so it doesn't matter.
            Extremely talented. BTW, great points. Chad is in that southpaw stance with dominant hand as the jab hand and needs to set before punching.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by intoccabile View Post
              He's the same fighter.. just look at what's been happening.

              Against harding the fight is at his pace. He is allowed to admire his work (a flaw he has) and pose everytime he lands a punch. He can be content with landing 1punch at a time. He isn't forced to move forward or throw while moving, he can reset at will. This is where he shines.

              The questions lied in the first Johnson fight where he was given a gift. Johnson worked and never allowed him to get set and admire his work. He didn't allow chad to pose and think it was ok to be content with 1 punch at a time. We found out here that Chads poise is his best asset. He has holes in his defense and doesn't punch back, because he needs to reset every time before throwing.

              Then comes the pascal fight. Perpetual movement side to side and scaling the ropes. We found out here that Chad can not punch WHILE MOVING, he prefers BE SET and dictate the pace. We found out in the first Johnson fight he has trouble punching WITH his opponent so Pascal, on paper, has Chads number. Non stop moving, Chad cant punch while MOVING. And firing off hard power punches in spurts.... keeping Chad on the DEFENSIVE whenever he actually was set.

              The game plan is the same as Hopkins/Pavlik and Ward/kessler, difference being Dawson doesn't only throw straights. He's the same fighter.. but the competition has been upped and now his flaws are being exploited.

              Now we know what he needs to work on to reign in the division (168-175) He needs to work on punching while moving, definitely. Because Hopkins, Pascal, Ward, Bute, Dirrel and Sillakh will all move laterally on him, Froch would As well.

              He needs to work on punching WITH his opponent. Because Pascal, Hopkins, Cloud, Despaigne, Froch and Kessler.


              None of these men will let Chad dictate the pace and admire his work. These are things he'll need to work on, or all of the above give him hell.

              On top of all of that, he isn't a 12 round fighter. He slows down far too much after the 6th. He has to impose his will better. He's too big a guy not to.

              Ismayl Sillakh is the future of the division though, so it doesn't matter.
              Mayweather Sr. talked about Dawson loading his punches, and his jab is not as sharp as it used to be. Against Adamek who was a live threat, Dawson still looked sharp.

              There is no doubt Dawson's offense regressed for some reason. Yes his opposition has been more difficult, BUT he still only has one loss. I expect Dawson to correct his mistakes when he fights Hopkins. He also beat Glen Johnson convincingly the second time, the first fight was really close and could have gone either way.

              To say Dawson isn't a 12 round fighter is simply not true because he's won most of his matches through 12 rounds. And how does Dawson indicate that he admires his work?
              Last edited by Boxingwizard; 05-28-2011, 12:48 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Boxingwizard View Post

                There is no doubt Dawson's offense regressed for some reason. Yes his opposition has been more difficult, BUT he still only has one loss. I expect Dawson to correct his mistakes when he fights Hopkins. He also beat Glen Johnson convincingly the second time, the first fight was really close and could have gone either way.

                To say Dawson isn't a 12 round fighter is simply not true because he's won most of his matches through 12 rounds.
                Dawson will be fine. After the fight I was expecting to come to the boards to hear people impressed with him but was surprised when that wasn't the case. No doubt it wasn't a spectacular performance as I would give it a C+ but most importantly it was an improvement.

                In regards to his offense regressing my only guess could be the constant rotation of trainers each with their own philosophies. HBO counted 8

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Boxingwizard View Post
                  Mayweather Sr. talked about Dawson loading his punches, and his jab is not as sharp as it used to be. Against Adamek who was a live threat, Dawson still looked sharp.

                  There is no doubt Dawson's offense regressed for some reason. Yes his opposition has been more difficult, BUT he still only has one loss. I expect Dawson to correct his mistakes when he fights Hopkins. He also beat Glen Johnson convincingly the second time, the first fight was really close and could have gone either way.

                  To say Dawson isn't a 12 round fighter is simply not true because he's won most of his matches through 12 rounds.
                  I don't mean it in the sense that he can't go twelve or win a 12 round fight, but you can see the cardio issues. Taylor has won 12 round fights as well, so has Judah.

                  He dominated the second Glen fight, made glen look his age. I was thoroughly impressed that night but I wasn't sure if it was him or glen. One thing he did well was get set FASTER than usual, pop glen once or twice as he'd try to close the distance then SPIN him. Realistically it wasn't a different plan.. he just made sure he was first this time, and got set sooner. This is important and something I don't think he will learn with E-Man unfortunately. Emans best pupils all dominate with the jab, center ring. He likes for his men to be set more than anything. I don't see him correcting that 1 flaw in chads game. He also doesn't train counter punchers so I don't see his ability to punch back/with his opponent getting much better either.

                  In all honesty, at this stage, we are going to see a more poise and refined version of Chad, more than anything. I don't think this is a Chad we need to see.. because his killer instinct is seriously lacking.

                  Chad started getting hit and pushed a LOT in the Diac fight starting around the 7th. It is a pattern I've seen for a while now. Although dominant, Glen didn't start to land anything up until that point as well and the same goes for the first Tarver fight. He can go 12.. but he can't work hard throughout an entire 12.

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                  • #10
                    well he was Hungry and chasing titles and trying to make a name for himself then

                    I think Dawson got too comfortable with his position AT THE TOP and was Top 5 P4P, at that point he probably felt "I AM THE CHAMPION, I HAVE ALL OF THESE BELTS, I CAN JUST GET TO THE CARDS AND GET A WIN"

                    I think that is when he kinda lost focus and motivation, also the fact that he would change trainers so much could be a sign that he LACKED THE DISCIPLINE AND DEDICATION and was probably getting by on just PURE NATURAL ABILITIES

                    Floyd Mayweather Sr is CRAZY but I thought he should have stayed with him especially how good Sr had him looking against Adamek

                    I still think Dawson has all the ability to be the MOST COMPLETE FIGHTER IN BOXING TODAY...if Steward can't get it out of him then NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO...Steward is the MASTER at working with TALL FIGHTERS!

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