Martinez Is Over-rated on NSB

**SCEN3RY** · 05-24-2011, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by The_Golden_Goy

Now before the haters get too carried away and the fanboys start crying, I am a fan of Martinez and love watching him fight as do most fans. But it seems alot of people on here are ratings him just a touch high.

Some are calling him the p4p best, which he is not. He's had a good 12-18 months yes, but he is not p4p number 1, probably not even number 2 or 3 either.

Some are even going so far to claim he is one of the best of this generation, which is completely absurd and unrealistic.

The Pavlik he beat had already been taken apart by Hopkins, and Pavlik actually had some success in that fight, he wasnt as comprhensively beaten as he was by B-Hop. The first Williams fight he looked good, but lost and in the rematch he knocked Williams spark out. Dzindziruk is a competent fighter but is hardly going to set the world alight with his ability.

He's come alive in the past 18 months and it's great to see a warrior as exciting and deserving as Martinez in good fights and knocking good fighters out, but he if he was to retire tomorrow, his defining fights would be a below par Pavlik and a one punch KO of Williams.

Who says Paul Williams wont win the rematch?

Some perspective is needed by some (not all)

you didn't say anything wrong really...but it's all nothing more than an opinion...sometimes forced, sometimes it's actually believed...if a fan wants to discredit a fighter, he'll find a way, not matter how far he has to dig, he'll find a way to discredit the fighter. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but you know what I mean....and the same can be said about building up a fighter...it's a game of 'what's your agenda.' I like Martinez, like you mentioned, he's an exciting "new" fighter, but I too don't think he's THAT good, but I like em nonetheless....he's cool. He's up there in age as it is, I'm not sure how long he'll remain in this game, or better yet, how long he'll sustain his reflexes to continue to compete as well as he is now, but I'm always looking forward to his return to the ring. (btw, that Pavlik fight was dope, b/c Pavlik began winning, what I think were the middle rounds and then out of nowhere, for dramatic purpose, Sergio came back and beat that boi up. Also, I think it's perfectly legitimate for us to argue him anywhere between 1 - 3 in terms of P4P rankings)

**Larry the boss** · 05-24-2011, 12:05 AM

the word overated is overated on here

**mushahadeen** · 05-24-2011, 12:15 AM

Martinez Is Over-rated on NSB

martinez is overrated by sergiosexuals on messageboards.

nobody in the real world knows who he is. he is a PPV failure. he doesn't draw. nobody knows or cares what a "maravilla" is. normal ppl like myself care so little we won't even google it. he is completely irrelevant.

JR Duddy's him easy. which is y sergio is calling out WWs and JWWs instead. he knows all the bicycle riding and soccer playing n hair gel in the world isn't going to teach him to keep his hands up.

**RA-Box** · 05-24-2011, 12:16 AM

Why do people discredit the Pavlik win by saying he was a below par version of pavlik?

Pavlik had two KOs after the Hopkins loss,

and the Hopkins loss was at a greater weight (first time for Kelly almost 2 divisions higher),

AND he weight 15+ lbs greater than Martinez on fight night.

**mushahadeen** · 05-24-2011, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by RA-Box

Why do people discredit the Pavlik win by saying he was a below par version of pavlik?

Pavlik had two KOs after the Hopkins loss,

and the Hopkins loss was at a greater weight (first time for Kelly almost 2 divisions higher),

AND he weight 15+ lbs greater than Martinez on fight night.

i agree he should totally get credit 4 fighting a drunk alcoholic pavlik on drugs. the guy had 1 foot n the betty ford clinic but whatever we can do to prop up the P4P QUEEN.

**RA-Box** · 05-24-2011, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by mushahadeen

i agree he should totally get credit 4 fighting a drunk alcoholic pavlik on drugs. the guy had 1 foot n the betty ford clinic but whatever we can do to prop up the P4P QUEEN.

Haha, you're funny man. I swear you drop hate on every Sergio Martinez related thread and you have the man's pic as your sig.

What did he ignore you at a signing or something?

**Beater_of_ass** · 05-24-2011, 12:31 AM

]Well he's never been on PPV so I wouldn't call him a failure, he has to be on it first. Until then he's a never was on PPV, and he doesn't draw d*ck. That being said it shouldn't take away from his talent and skill, which they don't but you base a guys skill off his quality of opposition first and foremost. Sergio shouldn't be number 2, boxing fans are so quick to think an AWESOME KO makes you some sort of dominating force. He landed a great punch, but it was against a guy with no boxing ability at all, he beat a tall guy with stamina and nothing more. In Pavlik, the guy was an alcoholic which IS going to affect everything in a fighter. The TS is right, you don't become a #2 P4P by having a great 2 years his body of work before that leaves quite a bit to be desired.

Someone mentioned that Sergio is up there in age... this stigmata just needs to go away in boxing. Age does matter, but Sergio didn't start fighting until he was 22, he's 34 or 35 but its obvious he has A LOT more miles left on him than someone like Mosley for two main reasons. First he simply hasn't fought nearly as much as Mosley or for any mid 30 year old and he doesn't get hit as much as Mosley. Father time always catches up with you, but when you treat your body right, are a more defensive than offensive fighter and have only had a 10+ boxing career there is still a lot left in the tank. You have to remember some of these "older" boxers have been fighting since they were kids in the amateurs and what not. As well as the fact that once your on HBO and Showtime you only fight 2-4 times a year, 35 in boxing isn't what it used to be. I think Hopkins proved it this weekend with flying colors.

**LeG00N** · 05-24-2011, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by mushahadeen

martinez is overrated by sergiosexuals on messageboards.

nobody in the real world knows who he is. he is a PPV failure. he doesn't draw. nobody knows or cares what a "maravilla" is. normal ppl like myself care so little we won't even google it. he is completely irrelevant.

JR Duddy's him easy. which is y sergio is calling out WWs and JWWs instead. he knows all the bicycle riding and soccer playing n hair gel in the world isn't going to teach him to keep his hands up.

......who cares about numbers ...we're talking about boxing

**The_Golden_Goy** · 05-24-2011, 04:03 AM

I dont want to dis-credit the current best at 154 and 160 because I have loved watching him over the past 18 months, but some people are on here are so far up his ass. IMO, and this is just my opinion, he doesnt beat Pacquiao or Mayweather at 154, but thats partially because i dont think Sergio can get down to 154 and be as effective as he would be at 160.

I'm sure he's going to have another fight or two that will excite, i dont think he's going to entice Pacquiao or Mayweather into the ring tbh, but there arent too many option around 154/160 other than a rubber match with P Will or waiting for the winner of Alvarez/Chavez if that happens in the near future

A Williams-Martinez rubber match is a must though

Martinez Is Over-rated on NSB