how can hopkins be better than calzaghe?

[hvirk]

how? well he completely schooled him when they fought... too bad people don't know how to score a fight.

[Twako]

neutral fan of both, but i see joe always beating bhop more times head to head than the other way around.

[RichCCFC]

Now, now, now lets look at all the "great" title defenses Mr. Calzaghe had...

1998: Joes ranked #2.
Fought: Branko Sobot(unranked), Juan Ferreyra(unranked)

1999: Joes ranked #2
Fought: Robin Reid(ranked #9, NEVER REMATCHED after controversial win), Rick Thornberry(unranked),

2000: Ranked #2
Fought: David Starie(unranked), Omar Shieka(unranked), Richie Woodhall(unranked)

2001: Ranked #2
Fought: Mario Viet(unranked), Will McIntyre(unranked)

2002: Ranked #1 because Svettes challengers got worse then Joes..
Fought: Charles Brewer(ranked #6), Miguel Jimenez(unranked), Tocker Pudwill(unranked)

2003: Ranked #1
Fought: Bryon Mitchell(ranked #6)

2004: Ranked #1
Fought: Mger Mkrtchyan(unranked), Kabery Salem(unranked)

2005: Ranked #1
Fought: Mario Viet(unranked rematch), Evans Ashira(unranked)

2006: ranked #1
Fought: Jeff Lacey(#3), Sakio Bika(unranked)

2007: Ranked #1
Fought: Peter Manfredo(unranked), Mikkel Kessler(#2)

2008: Moved to Light Heavyweight
Fought: Bernard Hopkins(#1), Roy Jones Jr(unranked seriously shot legend)

So were saying somebody who fought 5 top 10 ranked opponents in 21 defenses when he was ranked 1 or 2, and only 2 of them were top 5, is an ATG? 5 years of his prime were against unranked opponents.

Hopkins is his best win who was in his 40's. It's still a great win because of what Hopkins just did but Hopkins didn't have the speed he once had. Obviously lost a step, gave Joe the fight of his life and arguably beat him on technique alone. Then Joe never rematched to settle the score once and for all.

Instead he fought Roy Jones who was out of his prime after he got KO'd by Johnson. He was seriously shot, no speed or reflexes anymore, came off a win against shot blown up Trinidad.

So LMAO, is this really what you want to call ATG?

Hopkins 20 title defences (11 ranked)

1996 - Steve Frank (unranked), Joe Lipsey (#7), William Bo James (unranked)
1997 - John David Jackson (unranked), Glen Johnson (unranked), Andrew Council (unranked)
1998 - Simon Brown (unranked), Robert Allen (unranked)
1999 - Robert Allen (#7), Antwun Echols (#6)
2000 - Syd Vanderpool (unranked), Antwun Echols (#5)
2001 - Keith Holmes (#3), Felix Trinidad (#1)
2002 - Carl Daniels (#9)
2003 - Morrade Hakkar (unranked), William Joppy (#3)
2004 - Robert Allen (#2), Oscar De La Hoya (#2)
2005 - Howard Eastman (#1)

Calzaghe has 7 in 21

[RichCCFC]

Since Calzaghe became Champion in 1997


Top 10
1998
Title Vacant

1.Frankie Liles
2.Joe Calzaghe
3.Richie Woodhall
4.Sven Ottke
5.Charles Brewer
6.Robin Reid
7.Thomas Tate
8.Vincenzo Nardiello
9.Andrej Shkalikov
10.Vinny Pazienza

1999
Title Vacant

1.Sven Ottke
2.Joe Calzaghe
3.Byron Mitchell
4.Markus Beyer
5.Charles Brewer
6.Thomas Tate
7.Frankie Liles
8.Richie Woodhall
9.Robin Reid
10.Glenn Catley

2000

Title Vacant

1.Sven Ottke
2.Joe Calzaghe
3.Bruno Girard
4.Charles Brewer
5.Thomas Tate
6.Dave Hilton Jr.
7.Dingaan Thobela
8.Glenn Catley
9.Byron Mitchell
10.James Butler


2001

Title Vacant

1.Sven Ottke
2.Joe Calzaghe
3.Byron Mitchell
4.Antwun Echols
5.Charles Brewer
6.Thomas Tate
7.Eric Lucas
8.Mads Larsen
9.Manny Siaca
10.Markus Beyer

2002

Title Vacant

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Sven Ottke
3.Antwun Echols
4.Eric Lucas
5.Byron Mitchell
6.Charles Brewer
7.Mads Larsen
8.Manny Siaca
9.Anthony Mundine
10.Markus Beyer

2003

Title Vacant

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Sven Ottke
3.Anthony Mundine
4.Antwun Echols
5.Danny Green
6.Byron Mitchell
7.Markus Beyer
8.Charles Brewer
9.Mads Larsen
10Robin Reid

2004

Title Vacant

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Mikkel Kessler
3.Anthony Mundine
4.Antwun Echols
5.Danny Green
6.Jeff Lacy
7.Mads Larsen
8.Robin Reid
9.Markus Beyer
10.Manny Siaca

2005

Title Vacant

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Mikkel Kessler
3.Jeff Lacy
4.Markus Beyer
5.Anthony Mundine
6.Danny Green
7.Manny Siaca
8.Otis Grant
9.Robin Reid
10.Librado Andrade

2006

Joe Calzaghe, Champion
1.Mikkel Kessler
2.Anthony Mundine
3.Jeff Lacy
4.Markus Beyer
5.Librado Andrade
6.Lucian Bute
7.Carl Froch
8.Allan Green
9.Denis Inkin
10.Peter Manfredo Jr.

2007

Joe Calzaghe, Champion
1.Mikkel Kessler
2.Anthony Mundine
3.Lucian Bute
4.Jeff Lacy
5.Librado Andrade
6.Carl Froch
7.Allan Green
8.Sakio Bika
9.Denis Inkin
10.Jean Pascal

[SN!PER]

Glen Johnson should've been ranked, I thought.

[RichCCFC]

yep, also Calzaghe had a dominant second person in his division too, Ottke and Kessler cleaned up a lot of opponents.

[jtiger777]

crazy logic but dont get bent out of shape because people have a different opinion than u

and styles make fights in boxing!

[Faerun]

Brits should be banned from the internet. You guys are rubbish posters bar none.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Froch battered taylor, hopkins lost to him twice.

Triangle logic doesn't work. By your logic, Andre Berto beats Kelly Pavlik.

I mean, Berto beat Quintana, who beat Williams, who beat Martinez, who beat Pavlik. Therefore, Berto beats Pavlik. Right?

See, it's ******. The fact of the matter is that Froch didn't batter Taylor to begin with. It was an evenly contested fight and Taylor was probably winning until he was stopped. Good win, but that's not getting battered. Which implies a total destruction. Which didn't take place.

It's a styles thing. To imply that Froch would be better than Hopkins is COMPLETELY ******. And I'm a huge Carl Froch fan. That's just ******.

Calzaghe schooled hopkins9hopkins was so shattered he had to resort to fake low blows).

Hopkins wasn't schooled. It was a close fight and Calzaghe landed about 19 punches a round. Not really a "schooling." Calzaghe schooled Lacy. Hopkins schooled Pavlik. Calzaghe pulled out a close one with Hopkins.

You can't say you schooled a man that dropped you in the first round and who landed the harder shots. True, Calzaghe through more and thus, landed more. That's what happens in boxing. It's not a schooling. Don't talk ****e.

Hopkins lost to pascal(got knocked down twice), yet froch schooled pascal.

Hopkins has never lost to Pascal. True, he was knocked down. Hopkins knocked down Calzaghe. What's your point? Hopkins has a controversial draw that he really won and he has another clean vicotory over a prime fighter. End of story. THAT... was a schooling. Froch won a tough fight. Good, but a tough fight.

Froch and calzagher would be a great match, but currently calzaghe is above froch. But calzaghe is def above hopkins

I like Calzaghe, but Froch is better than Calzaghe in my eyes. Better competition and is chasing glory far more. Froch has Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham and Kessler on his resume. He only lost the Kessler fight, but looks to have come out of it in far better fashion. Once again, a styles thing.

I'd put that list up against any of Calzaghe's fights. And you can't say Hopkins, because you spent your whole post claiming that Froch is better than Hopkins, so clearly in your opinion Hopkins sucks.

Calzaghe is a atg, racist hopkins is literally not fit to lace his boots...

Ridiculous post.

HOPKINS has won the title that Calzaghe retired with... TWICE. Hopkins was recognized as the Middleweight champion in an undisputed fashion for close to five years. Calzaghe held the Light Heavyweight and Super Middleweight titles for less time, combined.

I'm not talking about the ABC belts. I'm talking about having the legit championship.

Hopkins had the Middleweight title once and for a longer time, not to mention, he's now a two time Light Heavyweight champion.

I won't even get into resumes specifically. But the fact of the matter is that Hopkins beat more Hall of Famers than has Calzaghe. You can say a couple of them were smaller, but you could say Calzaghe fought them past their primes. So, Hopkins still comes out on top.

Now, enough of this nonsense. They're both great fighters, but Hopkins ranks above him. And Froch does, too. End of story.

[$Bullsfam$]

Bhop is a full 2 inches taller than Jones, Toney and Calzaghe. Yet he would rather hide out at 160 and call out welterweight fighters.

He is the only member of the big 4 who chased welterweights. I wasnt impressed with him pre-2004 and Im not impressed with the sloppy stalemates hes fought against Taylor, Winky, Pascal and shot Roy Jones.

He is a coward, a bully, a cheater and steroid abuser. If thats your criteria for all-time greatness then have at it!

You have no logic at all it's down right sad.

By that logic Margarito is an inch taller then Sergio so does that mean he was ducking everybody at middleweight? LMAO Your so ****in pathetic.