This is what I dont understand about FLoyd/Manny...

[Wiley Hyena]

you guys are all being fooled by the pr stunts. The real mental chess going on between floyd and pac isnt even about testing. Its about floyd trying to get pac to wear down fighting all the bigger guys he wouldnt while preserving himself then taking down pac whilr at the height of a winning streak but physically and mentally battered.

Pac meanwhile realizes that he holds all the cards against floyd because floyd is not going to come out of retirement for anything less than him. So he is gonna keep building his legacy by staying active forcing floyd to either stay in retirement or taking a sham of a match thatll be a ppv failure.

Almost.

It's pure psy-ops.

Floyd has an excuse to dodge, or make Pac do something that a CONTENDER would need to do to get the fight. But, Pac is not a contender...he's the man. So Pac just goes about his merry winning ways until maybe, Floyd comes down from his perch to get the fight.

Money is not an issue. Too much of that to be made. This is about Floyd's desire to fight Pac. That's it. Period. And, the fact is that Floyd doesn't want to tangle with Pac unless he is confident that he will win.

[PrinceCharlez]

you guys are all being fooled by the pr stunts. The real mental chess going on between floyd and pac isnt even about testing. Its about floyd trying to get pac to wear down fighting all the bigger guys he wouldnt while preserving himself then taking down pac whilr at the height of a winning streak but physically and mentally battered.

Pac meanwhile realizes that he holds all the cards against floyd because floyd is not going to come out of retirement for anything less than him. So he is gonna keep building his legacy by staying active forcing floyd to either stay in retirement or taking a sham of a match thatll be a ppv failure.

Manny hasnt been in tough fight in a LONG TIME...what do you mean wear down from fighting BIGGER GUYS?? The only way manny gets worn down is by fighting BETTER GUYS and he hasnt done that in years....

Margarito
CLottey
Mosley
Cotto

were all solid names...but they were not the same when he fought them..

[KamoteKid]

Leonard vs Hagler... tsk.. tsk..

[letsgobrady]

you guys are all being fooled by the pr stunts. The real mental chess going on between floyd and pac isnt even about testing. Its about floyd trying to get pac to wear down fighting all the bigger guys he wouldnt while preserving himself then taking down pac whilr at the height of a winning streak but physically and mentally battered.

Pac meanwhile realizes that he holds all the cards against floyd because floyd is not going to come out of retirement for anything less than him. So he is gonna keep building his legacy by staying active forcing floyd to either stay in retirement or taking a sham of a match thatll be a ppv failure.

i didn't know floyd was mannys match maker

[MindBat]

floyd is on extended vacation so he can't fight at the moment.

pac's can't fight without peds so he won't take the test.

thtats all.

That pretty much sums it up.

[Double_L]

So I don't get why people believe that Floyd is just waiting for Pac slow down.

They're both deteriorating and you can't deny that. But honestly, do you think Mayweather, who is sitting on his couch, is deteriorating at the same rate as Pacquiao who is actively fighting wars against guys weighing 10-17 pounds more than him? The relative rate at which they are breaking down favors Mayweather.

Manny hasnt been in tough fight in a LONG TIME...what do you mean wear down from fighting BIGGER GUYS?? The only way manny gets worn down is by fighting BETTER GUYS and he hasnt done that in years....

Margarito
CLottey
Mosley
Cotto

were all solid names...but they were not the same when he fought them..

Cotto (1st 5 rounds) and Margarito fights were wars which will no doubt contribute to wear and tear. Hatton, Clottey, Mosley were supposed to be wars, but didn't turn out that way, so your point is valid there.

The thing is, you also have to take in consideration the training camps for these fights, which are not easy on the body at all. There is a reason many sports experts consider boxing the most demanding sport in the world. Rigorous training camps play a big part in morphing boxing athletes into what they are in the ring.

[nj_evoixgsr]

First of all Mayweather fought Mosley last year...I don't even know how you ask a question and don't even have the correct information...2nd I don't know how many times Arum has has stated that his not dealing with GBP...why do you think Mosley had to leave GBP and now JMM is leaving to get a fight with Pac...I don't know why people can't understand this...For the record Manny Pacquiao signed a contract with GBP first then signed with TopRank...after the courts settled the contract dispute TopRank pays GBP 25% of the fights earnings...TopRank(Bob Arum) takes his cut from Manny which is 27%...so thats 52% of Pac's money GONE right there...not including everybodies eles cut...trainer, manager, cut man, Ariza ect. Oh yeah I forget about Uncle Sam...35% of your take home pay...Manny might make a lot of money but he don't see a lot of money...thats why he's fighting two times a year...it take 3 fights for Manny to see the kind of money Floyd sees in 1 fight...hate if you like but this is real talk...this aint about no ******* this or no Flamo this...its about MONEY...the whole blood test thing is about TopRank asking for 50/50 split...so Mayweather says take the test...TopRank say NO...Mayweather says ok give me 60/40 or 70/30 split...Top Rank say NO...why because they know Pacquiao ain't gonna see **** for Money that will be the biggest earning fight in the history of the sport and Bob Arum will get exposed for what he really is...Can you follow? Picture this: Floyd get 70 million after PPV earnings...Pacquaio gets 30 or 40 million after PPV earnings but then Bob gets his cut 27% = $10,800,000 million for Arum that leaves $29,200,000...now GBP gets there cut 25% = 7,300,000 for GBP that leaves $21,900,000 for Manny who has the IRS saying we want are cut 35% of earnings another $7,665,000 for the Uncle Sam that leaves $14,235,000 million for Manny to split with his team...DAMN!...Well the fight happen...NO...if doesn't make dollars it doesn't make sense and when crunch the numbers this fight will not happen unless they place the fight somewhere it can generate close to 200 million...Dallas maybe...South Africa maybe...

good job you can count if your %s are correct which I highly doubt. next, if all your math is right. now you have to multiply that $ into pesos which is 1dollar:50pesos in the filipines. so let's see 70 million x 2 140million pesos plus whatever else he has going on. sponsorships, his clothing, shoes, etc. $$$$$$ if your worried about his $$$$ I take it he's sitting pretty freaking nicely. you think roach, ariza etc are getting 1 mil each or something?

[EMACULATE]

Manny doesnt care whether the fight happens or not. He doesnt need to make 50 million in one fight because he is active and fights 2 times a year.

Floyd doesnt appear to want it, but pretends he does and puts the blame on the other guy. How is testing really a credible excuse? No one buys that garbage.

Remember, this is Floyd we're talking about. He picks the best guys with big names that generate big money. Guys he can beat. He is an expert matchmaker. The DLH fight was a PPV blockbuster. I gotta feeling he knows exactly what a Pac-May would be..

My guess is he is milking this for all its worth because it will be his last fight. But thats a 20 percent probability. 80 percent says he is just a plain coward.

Can you are anyone explain to me how Mosley, Vargas, Marion Jones, Barry Bonds, Sosa, MCGUIRE and numerous others whom have never tested positive were found out. They all take urine test all the time. Wake up people this is a new age where people will go to what ever links to get a competitive edge to win a fight.

Im not saying PAC is using but the excuses he came up with were rediculous. Is floyd the commision nope, but if PAC can request ten million for every pound over, gloves size, ring size and ring entrance then Floyd can ask for drug testing which is random and he has to also take. If PAC wouldve just said yes from the begining he would've called Floyd bluff and if he wouldve won his legacy wouldnt be in question. IMO hes being handled more careful than dynamite but thats debatebul.

[Chups]

I agree that both are NOT EAGER to fight each other.

For Pacquiao, he thinks he has already accomplish everything and does not need Floyd or his diva demands.

For Floyd, he loves his undefeated record and would not risk it for $50+ million, when he can make these even when he is on vacation.