Would we hate Ali if he was around today?

[The Italian Stallion]

I know I wouldn't hate on Ali. I respect the guy for his deaication to boxing.

[Truth]

Ali talked trash but he did it in a humorous way unlike Toney who seems to be very serious for the most part.

[jack_the_rippuh]

Ali talked trash but he did it in a humorous way unlike Toney who seems to be very serious for the most part.

In the beginning of this year, I couldn't stand James Toney, now I'm starting to become a fan and think he's actually funny..

[Nautilus]

Yeah, but I'm a clean bet...
What shocked me was how much he prepared for winning..
He must have been pretty confident to have all of this stuff ready..

If I could just say something about had it been me who won...
I don't think I would have been this harsh on him (and no I'm not bitching/complaining)

But we may never know..

Well, there is going to be a rematch.

I think Tarver will try to do fight a war with GJ this time, instead of trying to think too much.

I think Tarver will win a remacth, just like he won the rematch with RJJ.

I hope JPboxer3 will ease up after a a few days.

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what did he say? sorry man i wasnt from those times, im more of the mid 90's when i started to get into watching boxing, not know a lot just Julio Cesar Chavez

He called Joe Frazier an Uncle Tom. Which is another word for a sell out, a white mans black man, etc. When in Reality Joe Frazier was more like the average african american of the time than Ali. The public bought it, and as a result he and his family were threatened by their own community. Fraziers daughter would come home crying because the kids knew who she was and called her names because of what Ali said. It was dangerous.

In those times u couldnt joke around about being a sell out in my opinion that was very uncool.

That's probably Frazier's biggest beef with Ali.

[ryankivell]

All I know is that Ali brought excitement and that is exactly what boxing needs right now. Someone to grab the national spotlight how Ali, Sugar Ray, and Tyson did. Lewis wasn't even on the level Tyson ever was. Love or hate, Ali, it would be nothing but great for boxing.

[Stickman]

Ali was hated during most of his career...for his mouth, and for his style both. It wasn't until several years after he retired that he truly became popular among most boxing fans.

[Foreman]

I really can't stand clay. When he was stripped of his title and wasn't making any money, Joe Frazier helped him out. Joe Frazier did a tremendous amount of lobbying for clay to get his license back. So clay repays him saying really mean and hurtful things about Joe and his family. With friends like that.... I know, sticks and stones, blah, blah. But when you help someone out and they stab you in the back, who needs that. The trash talk wasn't to sell tickets either, the money was guranteed. Sure clay was the biggest fight out there for Frazier, but so what? There are a lot of big fights out there that champions have walked away from. Especially from a fighter as dangerous as clay. Frazier didn't duck anyone and wanted to fight the best,the same cannot be said of clay.

The whole refusing to serve thing bothered me too. It wasn't like clay was going to the front lines with the grunts. Just like Louis, Elvis and a ton of other celebrities, he would have been touring, doing exhibitions and what not for the troops. Whether you supported the war or not, you have to support the troops, which clay didn't want to do.

[Truth]

man, you have some guts

Jack_the_Rippuh is the man

[boxerman]

People would hate him today. Guess I shouldnt say everyone. But Fox news would be sayign how he was anti american. They would bash him for not believing the war in Iraq was a just cause. The era of ******* media has passed and it is now more conservative-right wing, like it was back then. So he would have been villanized like he was back then. And since most people cant think for themselves, they would believe what Bill O'reilly tells them.