Manny's time could be a lot closer than we think.

[shodown19]

Considering that Mosley/Mora was a far more entertaining fight than Pac/Mosley leads me to believe that Pac is definitely on the decline. I'm not even going to bring Floyd into it, but I think a fighter like Zab Judah could touch Pac up nicely at this point.

[The Big Dunn]

This a very valid point.

Floyd took 2 years off before and he was ok.

Will he do it again? I'm 50-50.

It doesn't matter how gifted you are, in your 30's you can't keep taking this amount of time off.

Plus, Floyd outright relies in physcial attributes also. Losing them or them declining would effect him, badly.

Only thing I'd add is floyd stays in relatively great shape outside the ring. He doesn't appear to have huge fluctuation in weight so maybe that contributes to his ability to stay on point after a long layoff.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Real bad comparison with Winky there bro considering Winky was NEVER fast at any point in his career.

i was comparing Winky to Floyd, not PAC


Winky was a fundamentally sound, texbook fighter whose defense allowed him to avoid punishment for much of his career...then when he took time off in the latter stages, he was never the same

[SERVILEV]

Just hear me out. Since the Margarito fight I've seen the decline. I went from actually being 50-50 in a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, to slightly leaning towards Floyd to win, to now comfortably picking Floyd to win. The wear and tear, wars he's been in, the constant training camps he has to go through, the fact that he fights consistently, it's all gonna catch up to him...probably sooner than we think. So when it happens don't be shocked.

He's wasting his time against now mediocre opponents, so he'll have himself to blame when it happens. It doesn't have to be Floyd to do it, it can very well be Ortiz or Timothy Bradley. Manny's the kind of fighter that can't afford to lose speed, or any sort of athletic ability. When he's unable to get into those weird angles, what then? Leg cramp or not, Mosley shouldn't have been able to make him miss that many times, Pacquiao should have gotten him out of there.

did you just start watching boxing? Every fighter has flaws. Even Mayw..
styles make fights. fighters WHO fight make fights. Mosley stayed stationary infront of Mayw, took huge bombs from Mayw, but never ran for his life like he did against Pacq.. Manny won the fight as just as easy against Mosley than Mayw did. Hell Pacq even knocked his ole butt down in the 3rd. Remember in those DANGER ROUNDS where Mosley might KO Pacq!! I fully expect Mayw to run for his life against Pacq aswell. He wont attack Pacq like he did Mosley!! and if he does....... Hes out..

[The Gambler1981]

i was comparing Winky to Floyd, not PAC


Winky was a fundamentally sound, texbook fighter whose defense allowed him to avoid punishment for much of his career...then when he took time off in the latter stages, he was never the same

Winky blew up though, if a guy stays in shape time off is not the same as if they let them self go~ look at some old fights while Winky was not fighting he was Super Size Winky you could tell even from a distance.

[Chopper417]

i was comparing Winky to Floyd, not PAC


Winky was a fundamentally sound, texbook fighter whose defense allowed him to avoid punishment for much of his career...then when he took time off in the latter stages, he was never the same

Yeah I knew you were comparing Winky to Floyd. Technique wise I completely agree with you. I was saying that Winky never relied on speed because he never had it. He was never a particularly gifted fighter athletically, he just had strong technique and one of the best jabs in the business.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Winky blew up though, if a guy stays in shape time off is not the same as if they let them self go~ look at some old fights while Winky was not fighting he was Super Size Winky you could tell even from a distance.

so you're saying that there's no chance that Floyd would be a few steps slower when he returns from his hiatus?

that's the basic premise of my point...like i said before, he could be the same, or he could not be the same...i was refuting the opinions of some that it was not even a possibility

and i used Winky as an example of even a textbook fighter that didn't need explosion and speed aging as a fighter due to inactivity and age

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Yeah I knew you were comparing Winky to Floyd. Technique wise I completely agree with you. I was saying that Winky never relied on speed because he never had it. He was never a particularly gifted fighter athletically, he just had strong technique and one of the best jabs in the business.

exactly...as does Floyd...and moreso, besides his solid fundamentals, the tools that Floyd employs ie. the shoulder roll, the pull counter, the check hooks, the lead jab to the body, these are all weapons that not only rely on technique but reflex and timing...the first assets to go with inactivity and age

[Jim Tom]

Just hear me out. Since the Margarito fight I've seen the decline. I went from actually being 50-50 in a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, to slightly leaning towards Floyd to win, to now comfortably picking Floyd to win. The wear and tear, wars he's been in, the constant training camps he has to go through, the fact that he fights consistently, it's all gonna catch up to him...probably sooner than we think. So when it happens don't be shocked.

He's wasting his time against now mediocre opponents, so he'll have himself to blame when it happens. It doesn't have to be Floyd to do it, it can very well be Ortiz or Timothy Bradley. Manny's the kind of fighter that can't afford to lose speed, or any sort of athletic ability. When he's unable to get into those weird angles, what then? Leg cramp or not, Mosley shouldn't have been able to make him miss that many times, Pacquiao should have gotten him out of there.

Even at his best Manny would never beat Mayweather.All he has to do is take the test

[The Gambler1981]

so you're saying that there's no chance that Floyd would be a few steps slower when he returns from his hiatus?

that's the basic premise of my point...like i said before, he could be the same, or he could not be the same...i was refuting the opinions of some that it was not even a possibility

and i used Winky as an example of even a textbook fighter that didn't need explosion and speed aging as a fighter due to inactivity and age

Possible, but if a guy lets them self go really bad those chances are much greater.

I am saying Winky letting himself go was just as much of a factor as time, there were more factors involved than just activity and age.


That said no man can whoop father time, everyone fades over time.