Haye Cant Save the Heavyweight division If he Retires!!

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If Haye beat Wladimir then went on to beat Vitali, it would not mean a rejuvenation of the heavyweight division and the dawn of the new era we've been waiting for because Haye made it clear that he wants to retire this year! Great..

IF (big if) he beat them both, once he retires they would most probably recapture the belts very quickly.

Vitali is the man and his fights are usually entertaining but Wlad is the younger one and he'll still be around for some years after Vitali retires IMO. Haye's right about Wlad's style.. jab, jab, grab.. that's pretty much what it is and I find it boring, for a heavyweight anyway.. It's good boxing though, but it's just not exciting to watch in a heavyweight contest.. Especially the fact that it's the same damn formula every time! It's like watching the same fight, again and again.

If Haye beats Wlad then retires the heavyweight division won't get resuscitated at all. It will just be a very short-lived reprieve before it's back to the same old story.

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If Haye beat Wladimir then went on to beat Vitali, it would not mean a rejuvenation of the heavyweight division and the dawn of the new era we've been waiting for because Haye made it clear that he wants to retire this year! Great..

IF (big if) he beat them both, once he retires they would most probably recapture the belts very quickly.

Vitali is the man and his fights are usually entertaining but Wlad is the younger one and he'll still be around for some years after Vitali retires IMO. Haye's right about Wlad's style.. jab, jab, grab.. that's pretty much what it is and I find it boring, for a heavyweight anyway.. It's good boxing though, but it's just not exciting to watch in a heavyweight contest.. Especially the fact that it's the same damn formula every time! It's like watching the same fight, again and again.

If Haye beats Wlad then retires the heavyweight division won't get resuscitated at all. It will just be a very short-lived reprieve before it's back to the same old story.

Haye hasn't exactly set the world on fire since he entered the HW division, so why would he be the "savior" of anything?

His fight with Valuev set a new low in heavyweight title fight history. It made Wlad-Sultan look like a classic. 12 punches a round by Davey, woo-hoo!

Haye is a con-man. The Harrison farce/fight should have proved that to any reasonable person.

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Haye hasn't exactly set the world on fire since he entered the HW division, so why would he be the "savior" of anything?

His fight with Valuev set a new low in heavyweight title fight history. It made Wlad-Sultan look like a classic. 12 punches a round by Davey, woo-hoo!

Haye is a con-man. The Harrison farce/fight should have proved that to any reasonable person.

At least Haye fought Valuev. Wlad did everything he could to avoid him.Sure Harrison was a garbage opponent but don't forget Wlad scheduled a fight with Chisora twice. Chisora only had 14 fights as a pro. So Wlad isn't immune to fighting farcical opponents either. And let's not forget that he only rematched Brewster after Brewster had been out the ring for over a year with a debilitating injury.

Yeah only a great champion arranges to fight a man who previously defeated him when he knows that man is at his lowest possible point and has severe ring rust to boot, any reasonable person can understand that.

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At least Haye fought Valuev. Wlad did everything he could to avoid him.Sure Harrison was a garbage opponent but don't forget Wlad scheduled a fight with Chisora twice. Chisora only had 14 fights as a pro. So Wlad isn't immune to fighting farcical opponents either. And let's not forget that he only rematched Brewster after Brewster had been out the ring for over a year with a debilitating injury.

Yeah only a great champion arranges to fight a man who previously defeated him when he knows that man is at his lowest possible point and has severe ring rust to boot, any reasonable person can understand that.

I didn't really understand the decision to fight Chisora, nor like the way Wlad dumped him twice.

Just because I like the Klitschkos -- though Vitali is my fave -- doesn't mean I approve of everything they do.

However, none of what you say here in any way invalidates my point: Haye has done, nothing, zero, nada, zilch, to indicate that he is a heavyweight "savior" of any kind. A "savior" wouldn't have fought Fraudley, full stop -- never mind fighting him when he knew he only had three fights left, max.

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I didn't really understand the decision to fight Chisora, nor like the way Wlad dumped him twice.

Just because I like the Klitschkos -- though Vitali is my fave -- doesn't mean I approve of everything they do.

However, none of what you say here in any way invalidates my point: Haye has done, nothing, zero, nada, zilch, to indicate that he is a heavyweight "savior" of any kind. A "savior" wouldn't have fought Fraudley, full stop -- never mind fighting him when he knew he only had three fights left, max.

The Harrison fight made sense money wise, it was basically a grudge match and because Haye knew he was retiring soon it was logical to yield to the UK general public's demand for the fight and in turn make a big purse in an easy fight, before the fast-approaching retirement. It was a fight that the wider UK audience wanted to see because Haye and Harrison were the most well-known contemporary active heavyweights in the UK. Real boxing fans always knew it was a garbage fight though but taking big money fights before retirement isn't unreasonable by any means.

As far as being a "savior" this is the whole point of fighting Wladimir. He's responsible for ruining the prestige of the heavyweight division because of his boring style. Consequently, it's not a stretch to state that because of Wladimir, boxing as a whole has lost a level of popularity worldwide. The heavyweight division was generally considered one of the most exciting until Wlad came along. And this is where the promise of Haye comes in. His catalog of fights as a whole by far provide much more compelling viewing than Wlad's. Only the Valuev and Harrison fights were not greatly entertaining. Pretty much every other fight he's been involved in (at HW or CW) has a much higher entertainment factor than most of Wlad's fights.

However you're right that Haye hasn't proven himself yet because he could have fought some better opponents after winning the title. If he does beat Wlad then none of that matters.. he will be the "savior" but only for a moment due to his impending retirement.

And, on a side note, Vitali is one of my favorite boxers in any division, not just heavyweight.