RESUME: Pac, Floyd and Martinez.

[P.K]

I was going to do who had the best, but then the ***** and Pac talk would kill the thread worse.

Maybe I should have stated it was the worse.

[P.K]

Donaire has:

Darchinyan,

Luis Maldonado

Moruti Mthalane

Raul Martinez,

Rafael Concepcion,

Manuel Vargas,

Hernan Marquez

Sydorenko

Fernando Montiel.

If you look at who they all fought, it's pretty good and linked.

[paniki]

martinez is overrated

[jrosales13]

Are you trying to prove who's the current P4P #1 fighter is or who the greater fighter is?

[P.K]

Are you trying to prove who's the current P4P #1 fighter is or who the greater fighter is?

I will take the challenge of both from anyone.

I challenge that Pac and Mayweather are better fighters.

I challenge that Pac is P4P number 1 and not Martinez.

All comers welcomed.

[jrosales13]

I will take the challenge of both from anyone.

I challenge that Pac and Mayweather are better fighters.

I challenge that Pac is P4P number 1 and not Martinez.

All comers welcomed.

Greater fighter is not a challenge That's body of work, Martinez doesn't have that. Martinez is not even a HOF'er.

But, best current P4P fighter is debatable. And, is make belief, is opinion based, is a mythical ranking, is a fantasy. So take the challenge.

[P.K]

Greater fighter is not a challenge That's body of work, Martinez doesn't have that. Martinez is not even a HOF'er.

But, best current P4P fighter is debatable. And, is make belief, is opinion based, is a mythical ranking, is a fantasy. So take the challenge.

OK I accept the challenge.

P4P, we all can put one man in front of the other. It is make belief and also the opinion of every fan or person.

However, within this make belief, we all need to be consistent with what we use in our P4P list.

What do you use to make your list if you have one?

[jrosales13]

OK I accept the challenge.

P4P, we all can put one man in front of the other. It is make belief and also the opinion of every fan or person.

However, within this make belief, we all need to be consistent with what we use in our P4P list.

What do you use to make your list if you have one?

I go by skills, talent, I also go by recent run(opponent faced in the last 3 years), i go by stylistically match up(who I think would win if both fighter were the same size, same height, same weight same reach) I take all that into account when I make my mythical opinion based ranking.

But, you need to understand not everybody has my criteria. Your criteria might different. You can get the 10 most knowledgeable boxing people and tell them to make a top 10 P4P list and all 10 list will be different in some way. So to think debating P4P is an actual "challenge" is funny to me.

But, anyways what's your criteria that you use?

And, show me your P4P list.

[P.K]

I go by skills, talent, I also go by recent run(opponent faced in the last 3 years), i go by stylistically match up(who I think would win if both fighter were the same size, same height, same weight same reach) I take all that into account when I make my mythical opinion based ranking.

But, you need to understand not everybody has my criteria. Your criteria might different. You can get the 10 most knowledgeable boxing people and tell them to make a top 10 P4P list and all 10 list will be different in some way. So to think debating P4P is an actual "challenge" is funny to me.

But, anyways what's your criteria that you use?

And, show me your P4P list.

I have a similar criteria. I also have age as a factor.

OK so what is your list?

My list is:

1) Pacquiao.
2) Floyd (Al though I may take him out)
3) Donaire
4) Martinez
5) JMM
6) Bradley
7) Wlad
8) Hopkin's
9) Mares
10) Khan

[jrosales13]

I have a similar criteria. I also have age as a factor.

OK so what is your list?

My list is:

1) Pacquiao.
2) Floyd (Al though I may take him out)
3) Donaire
4) Martinez
5) JMM
6) Bradley
7) Wlad
8) Hopkin's
9) Mares
10) Khan

In what way do you use age as a factor?

1. Pacquiao
2. Martinez
3. Donaire
4. JMM
5. Klitschko
6. Froch
7. Bradley
8. Adamek
9. Khan
10. Ward

I have no problem with anybody having Martinez being #1 P4P though. I can see that. Hell depending on how they finish the year Martinez can takeover Pac spot on my list.

And, Segura, Moreno, Wonjongkam, Hopkins and Mares are my next 5. And, any of those 3 can easily be in my 8-10 spot.