why manny pacquiao is a counter-punchers worst nightmare

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  • SplitSecond
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    #21
    Originally posted by PAC&PBFsuck
    You need a life my man, you obviously just rewatched it and now you're trying to prove a point and failing miserably.
    nope, but i can refer to my RBR card by searching my post history and there are some youtube videos to expose you, so, either leave, or post your RBR card

    k?...thanks......bye

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    • SplitSecond
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      #22
      Originally posted by J Dubb II 330
      he has trouble with counter punchers, plain and simple, Floyd is the best counter puncher and the worse part about it is, he's got a better jab, and he leads with rights and left hooks. Floyd is a very bad style match up for Pac, and considering pacs leg problem against fighters with movement it makes it even worse.
      everyone seems to be missing the point

      "Pacquiao is a counter-punchers worst nightmare"

      never said it could'nt be vice versa, but people that think floyd is gonna have an easy fight are probabley not the sharpest when it comes to analyzing fighters

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      • Dagomba
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        #23
        Not really. I see it as being the other way around. So does Bob Arum.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Blah!
          nope, but i can refer to my RBR card by searching my post history and there are some youtube videos to expose you, so, either leave, or post your RBR card

          k?...thanks......bye
          You spend time looking through your history, great thread BTW?

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          • New England
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            #25
            Originally posted by Blah!
            feinting and combo's? i just explained it to you


            everybody counters an opponent's offense in a championship prizefight


            if you're talking about the "counterpunchers" that manny has faced, you're probably talking about the guys against whom he had the worst showing


            morales, marquez, even cotto to a certain degree, were able to get in good work when they presented pacquiao with opportunities and took advantage of him being reckless
            you can call that counterpunching
            those men range from very sound counterpunchers to legitimate greats in that regard (cotto on the low end, marquez on the high end, and morales somewhere in the middle closer to marquez than cot)


            manny's physical gifts obviously make him the wrong man to exchange punches with if you aren't a much bigger man
            he's a vicious puncher, can beat a man to the punch with his handspeed, and has a great chin


            but counterpunching has been the best means of scoring on pacquiao (and taking advantages of the breaks he wants to take, like morales and marquez were able to do)

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            • FerdinandMarcos
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              #26
              Originally posted by Blah!
              then it's vice versa
              So why does Manny avoid counterpunchers like the plague if he's such a threat to them???

              Pac brings out the dumbest fans.
              Last edited by FerdinandMarcos; 05-09-2011, 05:49 PM.

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              • SplitSecond
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                #27
                Originally posted by New England
                everybody counters an opponent's offense in a championship prizefight


                if you're talking about the "counterpunchers" that manny has faced, you're probably talking about the guys against whom he had the worst showing


                morales, marquez, even cotto to a certain degree, were able to get in good work when they presented pacquiao with opportunities and took advantage of him being reckless
                you can call that counterpunching
                those men range from very sound counterpunchers to legitimate greats in that regard (cotto on the low end, marquez on the high end, and morales somewhere in the middle closer to marquez than cot)


                manny's physical gifts obviously make him the wrong man to exchange punches with if you aren't a much bigger man
                he's a vicious puncher, can beat a man to the punch with his handspeed, and has a great chin


                but counterpunching has been the best means of scoring on pacquiao (and taking advantages of the breaks he wants to take, like morales and marquez were able to do)
                right, but counter-punchers are also shown to be the most dominant in the sport

                so it's only natural he has to fight harder against counter-puncher than he does against face first brawler like margarito, right?

                even a monster like roy jones had his toughest times vs counter-punchers

                counter-punchers aren't so much manny pacquiao's worst nightmare as they are to everyone, even to themselves

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                  #28
                  an over hand right is the worst nightmare to a philly shell i learned that this weekend at they gym...

                  a counter puncher is an aggressive off balance fighters nightmare

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                  • FerdinandMarcos
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by El Más Mejor
                    Not really. I see it as being the other way around. So does Bob Arum.
                    exactly..........

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                    • Pin Galarga
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                      #30
                      I guess a sweet dream can be a nightmare for some, but for what I have seen, Manny hasn't fought many counter punchers and have looked pretty bad with the ones He fought. But again, that was before He became a superheroe.
                      I also think He has looked great against guys that have ****** on their last fights. Arum has timed all this challenges, including his fight vs Cotto, a fight they pushed to have very close after his ring assault and a very hard fight Arum also put together.
                      But really, Margarito looked horrible on his fight in Mexico before fighting Manny and Mosley looked even worse on his last fight.
                      Bottom line is that we really don't know how good ultraman is until Arum starts negotiating real challenges for him. Now they want Marquez, only because He has lost some steam on his last fights.
                      Even National media have been talking about the wasted time and its becoming very obvious that Arum is making sure his superheroe continues to fight over match contenders.
                      Pacquiao needs Mayweather or Martinez more than Arum thinks or is willing to risk.

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