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  • sdcluser
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    #11
    Originally posted by Monte Fisto
    I'm not sayin' that he's slow. In fact, he's still friggin' fast. I can't even keep up to count in real time of the vid below. But, there's clearly a drop-off in speed from two years ago. Below is a current PAC vid
    This is not a secret. As one ages, one's power increases (body mass as well) and slows down.

    It is noticeable to us so in the ring it is quite significant to opponents. But what do you expect when you gain weight and age. IMHO, the peak speed for boxers are somewhere around 24-27 and much earlier depending on the sports. My guess is somewhere 28-31 you maintain the speed (not that noticeable of a decline) . Somewhere close to 32, you see that slow down very clearly.

    Look at Roy Jones Jr. Probably one of the most gifted athletic boxers ever. At 33 he was getting touched often and KTFO. Roy circa 1993-1997 (roughly 24-28) was freaking amazing. You CANNOT defend what you can't see/react to.
    At 35, Pernell was done.

    As for Pac, he will probably at least have another good year (2-3 fights) and decline much faster after that (this depends on lifestyle, conditioning and proper opponent selection as well). It is just inevitable. Personally, I think Roach will pull him aside and tell him, "Manny, it's time." Then, Pac will probably fire his arse on the spot as aging boxers are always in denial.

    The often claim for Pac is that "he just like to trade punches" is not a sound one IMHO. If he can avoid it, why trade?! Maybe he is evolving slowly into a slugger. Remember Ali evolved too and gradually became almost a slugger. Slower movement requires adaptation.

    Lastly, the often claim is that Floyd and Pac can take all comers are just plain silly in a year (or two) time. Remember Castillo handing FLoyd's first loss? The proper way to damage Floyd is body punch at the appropriate angle. Someone younger (elite) will be able to execute and figure that out that as Floyd steps into the ring. FLoyd in a year will be much slower and won't able to match the power/speed from some of the young elite fighters. Output will be anemic. What many of us here remember is the old FLoyd and Pac. The actual FLoyd and Pac will probably vary quite a bit after 1-2 yr. Can't use the past yardstick which will no longer exist. But memories are forever.

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      #12
      First video- how recent is that and if you remember Floyd wasn't as fast fo Mosley why because you need weight to fight Shane and more strength to keep him off he ain't a pushover no matter how he looks cause of that power

      Second video- he looked good looked to be going towards the end of the work out or middle of a round

      Third video- was he at like 135 or something or moving up to one forty?

      Ps. He's getting bored You can see it in his eyes he's their for the money now until he gets mayweather who gives a damn-_-

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        #13
        Originally posted by sdcluser
        This is not a secret. As one ages, one's power increases (body mass as well) and slows down.

        It is noticeable to us so in the ring it is quite significant to opponents. But what do you expect when you gain weight and age. IMHO, the peak speed for boxers are somewhere around 24-27 and much earlier depending on the sports. My guess is somewhere 28-31 you maintain the speed (not that noticeable of a decline) . Somewhere close to 32, you see that slow down very clearly.

        Look at Roy Jones Jr. Probably one of the most gifted athletic boxers ever. At 33 he was getting touched often and KTFO. Roy circa 1993-1997 (roughly 24-28) was freaking amazing. You CANNOT defend what you can't see/react to.
        At 35, Pernell was done.

        As for Pac, he will probably at least have another good year (2-3 fights) and decline much faster after that (this depends on lifestyle, conditioning and proper opponent selection as well). It is just inevitable. Personally, I think Roach will pull him aside and tell him, "Manny, it's time." Then, Pac will probably fire his arse on the spot as aging boxers are always in denial.

        The often claim for Pac is that "he just like to trade punches" is not a sound one IMHO. If he can avoid it, why trade?! Maybe he is evolving slowly into a slugger. Remember Ali evolved too and gradually became almost a slugger. Slower movement requires adaptation.

        Lastly, the often claim is that Floyd and Pac can take all comers are just plain silly in a year (or two) time. Remember Castillo handing FLoyd's first loss? The proper way to damage Floyd is body punch at the appropriate angle. Someone younger (elite) will be able to execute and figure that out that as Floyd steps into the ring. FLoyd in a year will be much slower and won't able to match the power/speed from some of the young elite fighters. Output will be anemic. What many of us here remember is the old FLoyd and Pac. The actual FLoyd and Pac will probably vary quite a bit after 1-2 yr. Can't use the past yardstick which will no longer exist. But memories are forever.
        Exactly lol I couldn't say it any better

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          #14
          PAC and Floyd is gonna turn to be a war because they both slowing down that's why floyd's worried it's all in the Mosley fight Floyd would have avoided everything Shane threw 2 or 3 years ago.

          I don't think PAC even cares if he wins. It's just money to him now

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            #15
            Originally posted by Forza
            The peds have ruined him IMO
            Now the peds have ruined him? I thought his superb stamina and strength were the result of peds. The common argument was, "look, he's knocking guys out bigger than him and he's still jumpy, its the peds".

            If the peds ruined him, why should floyd continue on with his testing crusade if they give Manny a disadvantage.

            Were we mistaken that floyd isnt scared of a beast on peds, but was just concerned he wont be fighting the best Manny Pacquaio that is reduced by peds?

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              #16
              pac killing the heavy bag, something i would only see heavy weight guys do... he mite have slow down compare to how he was 3-4 years ago but with the added power and still quick speed makes him more deadly now IMO.. his punches just doesnt sting u now, it puts u down...

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                #17
                Originally posted by Forza
                Scared of what? A wild southpaw that got out boxed by marquez and has 2 k.o loses?
                I don't get how those 2 KO losses are relevant in any way. Why do you and a few others insist on bringing them up. Hopkins lost his first pro fight as well as many other ATG's who lost early in their careers. And granted the second one was four years after Pac became pro but in no way, shape, or form is that the Pacquiao of today. He was malnourished and not nearly as skilled as today. Anyone that thinks its the same Pacquiao cannot be taken seriously.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by sdcluser
                  This is not a secret. As one ages, one's power increases (body mass as well) and slows down.

                  It is noticeable to us so in the ring it is quite significant to opponents. But what do you expect when you gain weight and age. IMHO, the peak speed for boxers are somewhere around 24-27 and much earlier depending on the sports. My guess is somewhere 28-31 you maintain the speed (not that noticeable of a decline) . Somewhere close to 32, you see that slow down very clearly.

                  Look at Roy Jones Jr. Probably one of the most gifted athletic boxers ever. At 33 he was getting touched often and KTFO. Roy circa 1993-1997 (roughly 24-28) was freaking amazing. You CANNOT defend what you can't see/react to.
                  At 35, Pernell was done.

                  As for Pac, he will probably at least have another good year (2-3 fights) and decline much faster after that (this depends on lifestyle, conditioning and proper opponent selection as well). It is just inevitable. Personally, I think Roach will pull him aside and tell him, "Manny, it's time." Then, Pac will probably fire his arse on the spot as aging boxers are always in denial.

                  The often claim for Pac is that "he just like to trade punches" is not a sound one IMHO. If he can avoid it, why trade?! Maybe he is evolving slowly into a slugger. Remember Ali evolved too and gradually became almost a slugger. Slower movement requires adaptation.

                  Lastly, the often claim is that Floyd and Pac can take all comers are just plain silly in a year (or two) time. Remember Castillo handing FLoyd's first loss? The proper way to damage Floyd is body punch at the appropriate angle. Someone younger (elite) will be able to execute and figure that out that as Floyd steps into the ring. FLoyd in a year will be much slower and won't able to match the power/speed from some of the young elite fighters. Output will be anemic. What many of us here remember is the old FLoyd and Pac. The actual FLoyd and Pac will probably vary quite a bit after 1-2 yr. Can't use the past yardstick which will no longer exist. But memories are forever.
                  You evil weed. Floyd is not even comparable to Manny. He's much better. Yes he doesn't have the media and STANS on his nuts but he's the better fighter. Period. Not saying Manny sucks but compared to Floyd he does.

                  In MMA terms, Pacquiao is Fedor Emilianenko, someone held in high regard by everyone and carefully managed. He lost two in a row against opposition who he was supposed to overcome easily. Never fooled me, i knew exactly how good he really was, just like I know how good Manny really is. The only ones you can fool are the ones blind or who don't want to see the truth.
                  Floyd is like Anderson Silva, complete, perfect, beautiful in the ring in all aspects of the game, not just a couple.

                  The truth takes a while longer to come out in boxing because you can matchmake allot more whereas in the UFC (MMA) you have to fight the best every time. Oh btw Floyd is still undefeated, Manny has a draw to the ATG Agapito Sanchez.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by joelab75
                    as u get older, u get slower. its proven. so nothing really new about it. Pac still the fastest welterweight.
                    when he gets the balls to fight floyd, he will see what fast is

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by yesir
                      when he gets the balls to fight floyd, he will see what fast is
                      duh!! we all know floyd is faster at ----------> RUNNNNNNING!

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