How is defense a scoring criteria?

[Kevin Malone]

cause..if your not getting hit..how can the other guy score?

I think he's saying arm punches, and grazing shots that technically aren't "landed" on someone with perfect defense wins a round if the perfect defense fighter isn't throwing any punches. I agree if that's the case.

[puga]

Getting on your bike and running, initiating clenches, slipping these are defensive tactics but without the clean counters after you slip in terms of scoring these things = doing nothing.

im a firm believer of this too.....thats why it's funny to me when people say hoya did'nt really beat swetpea....or that sweetpea got robbed vs chavez ...

[GrandpaBernard]

Then what exactly are they scoring? really its mostly landed effective punches that matter though sometimes rounds aren't always so clear as to who won.

Some punches that look like they land cleanly either don't land at all or don't land very well when you watch it on slow motion. Judges should have trained eyes to see this kind of stuff. If someone threw a nice looking punch but it was avoided, his opponent's defense should be praised.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Let me give you this extreme scenario, just to illustrate a point. One fighter is wildly throwing punches and doesn't land any. The other is skillfully deflecting, slipping and ducking all those punches, but doesn't land a single punch himself. Who wins the round? Is it an even round?

[Wazaa..]

All things being equal, the guy who is trying and initiating the action should get the nod.

[Wazaa..]

Let me give you this extreme scenario, just to illustrate a point. One fighter is wildly throwing punches and doesn't land any. The other is skillfully deflecting, slipping and ducking all those punches, but doesn't land a single punch himself. Who wins the round? Is it an even round?

If the guy who is so skillfull actually landed some counters, he should win. Otherwise, you give it to the other guy.

[PrinceCharlez]

Don't get me wrong its important because ideally in boxing you want to land as many clean punches while having as few as possible landed on you, defense aids this greatly but as a scoring criteria its inconsequential.

Getting on your bike and running, initiating clenches, slipping these are defensive tactics but without the clean counters after you slip in terms of scoring these things = doing nothing.

If I see 1 fighter for example throwing punches coming forward and landing nothing while his opponent slipping, grabbing, and running but not punching I am giving the fighter throwing the round on effective aggression because the aggression effectively is causing his opponent not to initiate any offense of his own.

Am I missing something here?

Yeah your missing something. For one defense and running are two different things. FOr example Khan vs Marcos in the 10th round. Khan was hurt but survived the round by running and grabbing. Floyd vs N'Dou he fought him in the phone booth and didnt get hit once. N'dou had 31 wins 30 by ko.

I think a lot of people get defense confused with running and its not the same thing. If you throwing punches and hitting air, it really doesnt matter how many punches your throwing. If im tagging your head cuz its wide open..

A baseball team that has the most swings and strikes doesnt beat the team with the most hits...

[-Boxzilla-]

well it can be used effectively in scoring if your obviously slipping or blocking a shot and countering one of your own. fighters that use the defense to set up offense and make that very apparent would work very well for scoring. but obviously you dont get the points directly for the defense per-se

[CubanGuyNYC]

If the guy who is so skillfull actually landed some counters, he should win. Otherwise, you give it to the other guy.

There's the famous story of the round Willie Pep once won. It's said that he didn't land a single punch, but won the round on defensive wizardry alone. I haven't seen the round in question, but I've also read that Pep actually did land some punches. Nonethelesss, the point is that a high degree of defensive mastery can outweigh the wild haymakers of a lesser boxer.

[Saddlebred]

dont forget that blocked punches often still hurt. youd know that if you actually boxed people.

A thousand times this...you *******s and *****s aren't playing Fight Night on an xbox here...when somebody is punching at your guard you are still taking damage...if a guy is hitting you that hard and that often even with blocking everything, eventually it takes a toll on you. They will eventually start punching through your guard as time carries on...frakking NSB fanboys...