*How To Score A Fight*

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  • CubanGuyNYC
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    #11
    Originally posted by PAC&PBFsuck
    It's simple, just listen to the crowd. I had JuanMa 6 rounds to 1 against Salido.


    It's funny (both "ha, ha" and strange), but we all know that a crowd can influence judges. They're not robots. There's no doubt in my mind that many judges, over the years, have scored a fight so that they can leave an arena in one piece.

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      #12
      Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
      You have to qualify "damage." If one fighter lands 50 clean, powder-puff punches, and the other lands one shot that opens a gash on his opponent's face, who do you give the round to? If one guy is pursuing the other, throwing punches into the air, while the other is on his heels, landing jab after jab, who gets the round? It's not always so clear cut, but it's not always so simple, either.
      Oh definitely, you need to pay a lot of attention to the fight and it can be very difficult. its not always clear cut whos doing more damage.


      I just mean the nature of scoring is easy. just do it by who does the most damage. Some people will use loopy logic and start going by effective aggression, and then ring generalship and all this jazz and end up giving weird reasons for guys winning rounds. A guy winning a round because of his 'ring generalship' is the most annoying thing ever. He didnt deserve to win the round unless he did more damage period.

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        #13
        Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC


        It's funny (both "ha, ha" and strange), but we all know that a crowd can influence judges. They're not robots. There's no doubt in my mind that many judges, over the years, have scored a fight so that they can leave an arena in one piece.
        I think the crowd makes more of a difference than we think. I know they shouldn't influence the judges, but I don't think they can help it.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Steak
          Oh definitely, you need to pay a lot of attention to the fight and it can be very difficult. its not always clear cut whos doing more damage.


          I just mean the nature of scoring is easy. just do it by who does the most damage. Some people will use loopy logic and start going by effective aggression, and then ring generalship and all this jazz and end up giving weird reasons for guys winning rounds. A guy winning a round because of his 'ring generalship' is the most annoying thing ever. He didnt deserve to win the round unless he did more damage period.
          That's why I give the greatest value to the first two factors. After that it's "all things being equal." Effective aggression, ring generalship, etc. have their value, but they don't outweigh what's most important: landing a higher number of clean, effective punches. There have been countless great fights where both men scored a comparable number of punches, so the fight had to be decided on who controlled the action, who was more aggressive, etc.

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            #15
            Originally posted by PAC&PBFsuck
            I think the crowd makes more of a difference than we think. I know they shouldn't influence the judges, but I don't think they can help it.
            You won't get an argument from me on that one, bro.

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              #16
              Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
              That's why I give the greatest value to the first two factors. After that it's "all things being equal." Effective aggression, ring generalship, etc. have their value, but they don't outweigh what's most important: landing a higher number of clean, effective punches. There have been countless great fights where both men scored a comparable number of punches, so the fight had to be decided on who controlled the action, who was more aggressive, etc.
              thats fair enough, although personally if I think the round was dead even in terms of damage I usually just go by the 'who would I rather have been that round' mentality.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Steak
                thats fair enough, although personally if I think the round was dead even in terms of damage I usually just go by the 'who would I rather have been that round' mentality.
                That's why you need uniform scoring criteria. There's no way you can make people stick to them perfectly, but you need some form of order. Otherwise, fighters can be robbed of fights solely because the judges' tastes weren't satisfied.

                I'm not a fan of Floyd Mayweather's style. (Too defensive for my tastes.) But the man is an amazing boxer. Floyd wins fights based on the science and rules of boxing. Some people don't like his style? Too bad; he plays by the rules.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by PAC&PBFsuck
                  I think the crowd makes more of a difference than we think. I know they shouldn't influence the judges, but I don't think they can help it.
                  calzaghe 12-0 hopkins. beat the shi-t out of him according to the crowd.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by daggum
                    calzaghe 12-0 hopkins. beat the shi-t out of him according to the crowd.
                    LOL, Calzaghe has never lost a round. 46-0 ATG HOF P4P and the pride of whales. :gay:

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