The Original Raging Bull—Some questions and facts

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  • ИATAS
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    #11
    found this article/interview from 2007 which talks about the guy he nearly killed:
    It is the autumn of 1938. Franklin D. Roosevelt is President, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs is on general release, the Munich Pact has just been signed and the Great Depression is eating away at the fabric of American society. The 17-year-old La Motta is living with his family in a rat-infested tenement building in an immigrant Bronx slum and, despite his youth, has already forged a reputation as a violent small-time hoodlum.

    The youngster has spent the day figuring out how to mug Harry Gordon, a local bookie, who always carries a few bucks in his pocket after doing the rounds in the neighbourhood. Gordon tends to take the same route home and, as the clock ticks past midnight, La Motta is poised in a dark corner with a length of lead piping wrapped in a newspaper.

    Gordon appears, walking slowly, and La Motta creeps up behind. He whacks his quarry around the back of the head with the lead pipe; Gordon staggers but stays on his feet. La Motta is so enraged that his victim has not lost consciousness that he loses control, bludgeoning Gordon again and again across the skull until he crashes to the ground. La Motta then reaches inside his coat pocket, removes his wallet and vanishes.

    The story in one of the next day’s newspapers is depicted as follows: Harry Gordon, 45, with a record of bookmaking arrests, was found beaten to death in an alley off Brook Avenue in the Bronx at 4 o’clock this morning.

    “Harry Gordon played on my mind for a while,” La Motta says. “For more than ten years I thought I had killed the fella. It kind of messed me up a bit. I felt that I had done something I hadn’t paid for. I was in stir as a youngster at Coxsackie [a notorious reform school in New York] but for something else [the attempted burglary of a ***ellery store]. I guess it felt like a safe place to be whilst the cops were looking for the murderer.

    “It was only in 1949 that I found out what really happened. I was celebrating after beating Marcel Cerdan for the championship and this man with scars on his forehead comes over. It was Harry. ‘You remember me?’ he says. It was like a ghost had turned up. Turns out Harry was so bashed up when he got to the hospital that the newspaperman thought he was a goner. We didn’t know any better because he moved out of town as soon as he was released from hospital. He’d decided the Bronx was too rough.”

    How did Harry react when he found out that it was you who half-killed him that night? “He never found out,” La Motta says. “I didn’t damn well tell him and by the time my book came out he was dead.”

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    From the same article he definately tries to downplay the ****:
    When I ask him about his **** of a young woman in New York, which is harrowingly described in his book, La Motta reverts to type, attempting first to deny and then to evade responsibility.

    “****?” he says. “I never really ****d anybody.” “But what about the woman you describe in your autobiography?” I ask. La Motta pauses for a long moment. “Well, I suppose I gave her a little push or something,” he says. “You know what it’s like to give a little extra pressure. It often happens when women get their first sex, they pretend that they didn’t want it to happen. It’s a game to them.”

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    • physiker
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      #12
      Yes, that appears to exscerpts from the book.


      It's interesting how he tries to deny what he wrot ein his own book. He did that too in the commentary with the film. And there the interviewer had also read the book, and so didn;t let himget away with it.

      In the book, it is real bad about one ****. I think this is the one you cited (though he said he did it more than once). Turned out he thought the woman was loose, from the way she dressed. But she was a ******, hefound out (Didn't deter him from the ****.) . Unlike his comments you posted now, in the book he admitted he destroyed her for life from what became of her.

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      • Hallaqsillaq
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        #13
        Damn, seems to me he was more a scummy, tough guy than anything else.

        Rapists get no respect from me...

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        • GrandpaBernard
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          #14
          Originally posted by physiker
          Yes, that appears to exscerpts from the book.


          It's interesting how he tries to deny what he wrot ein his own book. He did that too in the commentary with the film. And there the interviewer had also read the book, and so didn;t let himget away with it.

          In the book, it is real bad about one ****. I think this is the one you cited (though he said he did it more than once). Turned out he thought the woman was loose, from the way she dressed. But she was a ******, hefound out (Didn't deter him from the ****.) . Unlike his comments you posted now, in the book he admitted he destroyed her for life from what became of her.
          How did he manage to get away with ****?

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          • physiker
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            #15
            Alas all too many get away with **** the statistics say, because of fear, shock, shame or what is now called post traumatic stress.

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            • ИATAS
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              #16
              right, plus it was a different time. I'm sure back then, it was much, much harder for women to come forward with **** accusations then it is in today's work (which can still be pretty hard).

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              • edgarg
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                #17
                I have absolutely NO INTEREST in reading about the sordid stories relating to a disgusting human being.

                What interested ME about the "report" was that it graphically describes his creeping up BEHIND the bookie and whacking him repeatedly on the BACK of his head......and then, at the end this man with scars on his FOREHEAD comes to speak with him.

                Apart from the contradiction, the implication is that LaMotta and Gordon knew each other from BEFORE the attack, and hadn't met since. So this was the REASON for LaMotta creeping up BEHIND him so as not to be recognised........

                So the likelihood of LaMotta obligingly dancing around the guy so as to hit him on the forehead seems to be very low.

                I ALWAYS notice "inaccuracies".

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                • ИATAS
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                  #18
                  couldn't he have hit him behind the head a few times, then as the guy fell to the ground he pounded on his face?

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                  • Rassclot
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by GrandpaBernard
                    How did he manage to get away with ****?
                    lmao another cancer sun with cancer mars. LOL

                    those dude are the biggest maniacs.


                    Maidana, Juanma and Jack Dempsey. Just look at the way they all fight.

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                    • TaurusJ27
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                      #20
                      Watched it a few weeks ago. Enjoyed how they filmed the last fight with sugar ray robinson.

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