Only Way I Can See Wlad Losing to Haye

[Die Antwoord]

Is if he leads with his left hook and misses badly and gets caught with a rabbit punch. Wlad needs to make sure he isnt leading with the left hook, he seems to miss once badly every fight, but since he's turning, I havent seen a fighter be able to take a shot for fear of being called for the rabbit punch. You know Haye will rabbit punch any chance he gets. Wlad still should use the left hook, just I have never liked when he leads with it, set it up with a jab or right.

[number1983]

Is if he leads with his left hook and misses badly and gets caught with a rabbit punch. Wlad needs to make sure he isnt leading with the left hook, he seems to miss once badly every fight, but since he's turning, I havent seen a fighter be able to take a shot for fear of being called for the rabbit punch. You know Haye will rabbit punch any chance he gets. Wlad still should use the left hook, just I have never liked when he leads with it, set it up with a jab or right.

I doubt the ref (especially in germany) is going to let Haye get away with rabbit punches, like with the Ruiz fight

No Doubt that Klitschko camp are going to raise this issue with the ref prior to the fight

[Die Antwoord]

I doubt the ref (especially in germany) is going to let Haye get away with rabbit punches, like with the Ruiz fight

No Doubt that Klitschko camp are going to raise this issue with the ref prior to the fight

Refs let Sam Peter get away with 2 for "legit" knock downs. But it isnt that finishing the fight id be worried about, its more that I think Wlad's energy getting sapped and Haye jumping on him when he gets up. Wlad always gets up, but he seems to stay dazed when he is hit hard.

[number1983]

Refs let Sam Peter get away with 2 for "legit" knock downs. But it isnt that finishing the fight id be worried about, its more that I think Wlad's energy getting sapped and Haye jumping on him when he gets up. Wlad always gets up, but he seems to stay dazed when he is hit hard.

but that's a major weakness on Wlad's part especially with Haye. One thing that haye is good at is going for the kill

[The Hammer]

I doubt the ref (especially in germany) is going to let Haye get away with rabbit punches, like with the Ruiz fight

No Doubt that Klitschko camp are going to raise this issue with the ref prior to the fight

That's one of two concerns I have.

However, Wlad's experience with Sam Peter should help with rabbit punches.

Although Peter landed several rabbit punches against Helenius and hurt him with one near the end of the 5th round, Sam never landed one in the second fight with Wlad.

My other concern is a deliberate head butt like Sanders used on Wlad in round one, cutting him and knocking him down.

But Wlad survived head butts from Calvin Brock and Tony Thompson and went on to win both fights. And Haye is about an inch shorter than Sanders so Wlad may be just out of range of a headbutt to the ridge above the eye.

[number1983]

That's one of two concerns I have.

However, Wlad's experience with Sam Peter should help with rabbit punches.

Although Peter landed several rabbit punches against Helenius and hurt him with one near the end of the 5th round, Sam never landed one in the second fight with Wlad.

My other concern is a deliberate head butt like Sanders used on Wlad in round one, cutting him and knocking him down.

But Wlad survived head butts from Calvin Brock and Tony Thompson and went on to win both fights. And Haye is about an inch shorter than Sanders so Wlad may be just out of range of a headbutt to the ridge above the eye.

I can see rabbit punches being a concerns for Wlad, one's Haye has an opponent dazed, he becomes incredibly wild (in terms of punches), that's where the rabbit punches come from.

As long as Wlad's uses his height, i don't see headbutt's being a problem here, also Haye is a ambush fighter and has no inside game.

can't remember Haye using is head in any of his fight's, but i could be wrong

[Motofan]

I think Wlad wins this, but you can never discount the speed, power, and reflexes that Haye brings to the table. Its a matter of who wills his fight onto the other guy. If Haye is going to win, he needs to counter Wlad within the first 3 rounds HARD and get his respect. He needs to make him think twice about throwing those piston jabs and left hooks. If he can do that, then he raises his chances of getting inside and getting to Wlad's chin. As we all know, Wlad looks like he is an old women getting mugged when you can get in close on him with free hands. But if Haye hasnt connected hard on Wlad and spends the first couple rounds eating jabs and posing, then he is getting his head taken off. And early. If Wlad didnt have the chin he has I would give Haye almost no chance in this fight. From what I have seen, Haye cant get out of the way of a jab, and his low activity rate makes it hard for him to win rounds. But he has a punch, and Wlad has a glass jaw. That is the only reason this fight is interesting to me at all. Otherwise it is a huge mismatch.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Excuses starting already?

[edgarg]

That's one of two concerns I have.

However, Wlad's experience with Sam Peter should help with rabbit punches.

Although Peter landed several rabbit punches against Helenius and hurt him with one near the end of the 5th round, Sam never landed one in the second fight with Wlad.

My other concern is a deliberate head butt like Sanders used on Wlad in round one, cutting him and knocking him down.

But Wlad survived head butts from Calvin Brock and Tony Thompson and went on to win both fights. And Haye is about an inch shorter than Sanders so Wlad may be just out of range of a headbutt to the ridge above the eye.

FREEDOM- MAZALTOV. Excuse my freedom in addressing you so. But you are the VERY FIRST person who has EVER accepted and agreed with my CONSTANT mention of the head butts committed by Sanders which caused that 1st and fatal KD in their fight. I have written about it time and time again, and have been laughed at, scorned, maligned, and dirtied in a way that only BoxingScene posters know how to do.

I never thought I'd see the day when another poster would mention that first butt, or indeed any.

And it's SO obvious. All someone has to do is play the tape on slow, and keep his eyes open. It isn't even a difficult task to see it. And also, it was the only way that Klitschko's LEFT eye could have been cut. Sanders did not throw a meaningful right in the fight.

[edgarg]

FREEDOM- MAZALTOV. Excuse my freedom in addressing you so. But you are the VERY FIRST person who has EVER accepted and agreed with my CONSTANT mention of the head butts committed by Sanders which caused that 1st and fatal KD in their fight. I have written about it time and time again, and have been laughed at, scorned, maligned, and dirtied in a way that only BoxingScene posters know how to do.

I never thought I'd see the day when another poster would mention that first butt, or indeed any.

And it's SO obvious. All someone has to do is play the tape on slow, and keep his eyes open. It isn't even a difficult task to see it. And also, it was the only way that Klitschko's LEFT eye could have been cut. Sanders did not throw a meaningful right in the fight.

And I think you're right about Klitschko having learned to avoid rabbit punches. You may recall that in his after fight interview, that he specifically mentioned the rabbit punches of Peter, and how he did not protest, just to show everyone that he could take anything.

That ref Randy Neuman is amongst the worst in the game.

I think he quickly grabbed that fight against the fearsome unbeaten KO killer, to show that there had been something wrong in the Brewster fight-which there undoubtedly was- and that in fact he had a GOOD chin-which he also showed he had.