Vitali Klitschko will retire NEVER having.......

[P4P Opinion]

You can blather all you like about Vitali, but the fact remains that he has been beaten twice, both times legitimately. What's not legitimate about Vitali qutting on his stool because of injury, or Vitali getting his face grotesquely cut up by Lewis' punches? Vitali was unlucky in both instances, but it is not fair to say they are not legitimate defeats, especially in the case of the Lewis fight. By your logic, any fighter who wins by knockout while down on the scorecards does not have a legitimate victory.

While Vitali's knockout percentage and performances are impressive, the level of his competition is not. It's a real shame that Vitali didn't get to box in a better era like the Tyson-Holyfield-Lewis-Bowe era that preceded his, but he will retire without a world-class victory in my opinion.

Vitali Klitschko will go down as a great heavyweight and an unlucky heavyweight; unlucky in the manner of his two losses, unlucky to have lost a large part of his career to injury and unlucky to have boxed in one of the weakest eras in the history of heavyweight boxing.

[DIB42]

It's these haters who bring his name up EVERYtime unbeatable & Vitali Klitschko are in the same sentence.. You can still be unbeatable & lose in the fashion Vitali did.... so it's there sorry assews that bring him up with the same old drivel of how it says TKO next to Vitali's name in Lewis bio'.

You can't fault someone for pointing out that Vitali lost to Lewis if you're going to say something like "Vitali has never been beat in a legitimate manner" Or "undefeated" or etc

Sometimes its haters, but you can't call someone a hater for stating a fact.
I'd say more often then not, its people who are annoyed by delusional fandom. Or its the boxing purists, who hate misinformation.

You could see his eye, through his eyelid... you've got to stop that.


But this conversation has gone on for so long, heres the condensed version

Vitali was outboxing lennox
Lennox was fat and on his way out
First fight vitali doesn't have a huge height and reach, size and skill advantage
Lennox cut vitali all to hell
Vitali still looks good against lennox
Fight gets stopped
Lennox gets win

but for some reason it shouldn't count?

[DIB42]

This losses don't make him any less awesome in my eyes. People lose in sports occasionally, it happens.

if you're worried about it, then i'd say you're an insecure fan.

[jimmy1569]

WTF? Look up the definition of "unbeatable" you plonker. I actually think that you're are not a Klitschko fan at all, even the Klitcshko nuthuggers avoid your threads because you type the most ******ed ****** ****.

yeah... but the ******ed haters such as yourself worship every word & always come back for more.. So I ask who's more ******ed? I don't even know why i even bother with your sorry..ass.. perhaPS it's because my incessAnt need to school all the haters.. please be gone as you're a waste of my bandwidth.. nothing i say gets through to you so what's the point.... be gone son..i'm done with your limited intellect let alone boxing IQ.

[Tiozzo]

DON'T FEED THE TROLL

simple rule

[FerdinandMarcos]

^
vitali used steroids, so that's an asterisk on his career. His wins aren't legitimate.

ouch.....lol

[jimmy1569]

You can blather all you like about Vitali, but the fact remains that he has been beaten twice, both times legitimately. What's not legitimate about Vitali qutting on his stool because of injury, or Vitali getting his face grotesquely cut up by Lewis' punches? Vitali was unlucky in both instances, but it is not fair to say they are not legitimate defeats, especially in the case of the Lewis fight. By your logic, any fighter who wins by knockout while down on the scorecards does not have a legitimate victory.

While Vitali's knockout percentage and performances are impressive, the level of his competition is not. It's a real shame that Vitali didn't get to box in a better era like the Tyson-Holyfield-Lewis-Bowe era that preceded his, but he will retire without a world-class victory in my opinion.

Vitali Klitschko will go down as a great heavyweight and an unlucky heavyweight; unlucky in the manner of his two losses, unlucky to have lost a large part of his career to injury and unlucky to have boxed in one of the weakest eras in the history of heavyweight boxing.

Well.... i can't disagree too much with what you managed to say in a surprisingly eloquent manner as opposed to some of the stuff written here on BS (Boxing Scene). I agree that he didn't fight the 4 greatest fighters that preceded him in there prime & he can't fight his brother but he did give A very good account of himself & what it would be like to face him vs whatever version people want Lewis to be. Losses are losses but some defeats are so controversial in the way it was stopped... how it was stopped,,,why it was stopped. Vitali has not 1 but 2 such defeats on his ledger in an otherwise perfect..immaculate record..

These fighters cumulatively won 20% of those fights on official scorecards.. Vitali has never been OUTBOXED otherwise.. how is one supposed to let that go & dismiss it like most of the haters do. Both fights got stopped NOT in the ring but in between rds.. they got stopped by dr's recommendation. to assosciate these type of extreme circumstances & occurrences with both stoppages talked about today with infamy is to admit they're not like most other stoppages but yet the haters equate it on the same level of other fights that got stopped on cuts or because of injury. It's wrong & it's not the same..the ONLY thing similar is the W by Tko.

When a fighter that's undefeated but has exhibited all the traits Vitali has never had done in any of his fights.. i consider Vitali to be more difficult to beat because he's exhibited boxing traits that are MORE inducive to winning than the actual fighter that has never lost... this can include never being down in a fight... always ahead on the scorecards no matter what.. always throwing & landing more punches in a fight.

These are ALL things that happen from time to time to an elite fighter but has NEVER happened to him.. so why SHOULDN't i think he's unbeatable.. why shouldn't i think that he wouldnt've won both fights had he not finished injured or cut.. everything that he showed more than provides evidence that he would've won those fights & easy at that had he not had his physical ailments. If i asked most fans if they think he would've won the Byrd fight had it continued or he hadn't been injured & close to 100% would say yes... but that's still a loss because he didn't complete the job he was working on...there's no excuses in life.. if you don't complete a job however suuccesful it was at the time you stopped working.. you don't get paid..that's life however unfair it may be..you get credit for what you did but it's what you didn't do that is ultimately remembered.

As for the Lewis fight... if i asked most fans... i'd get an indecisive or inconclusive answer because the fight was only 6 rds & & Vitali was fighting for more than half of it with a cut above his eye that only got worse & worse. Most will never admit... that without the cut Vitali was on his way to victory... they'll always cite what Lennox did or didn't do by coming into the fight out of shape or being a couple of yrs to old to be the best LENNOX there was. Truth is he was dominating Lewis for 2 rds before the cut in the same fashion he was dominating Byrd for 6 or 7 rds before his shoulder was a hindrance & became a liability. You guys can look at the record books next to the 2 L'S on Vitali's resume all you want. I know what was behind those losses... you can choose to ignore the factual occurrences & circumstances that led to those losses all you want.. I KNOW WHAT TRANSPIRED in both bouts.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

My goodness another Vitali thread from the same guy on the same subject.

He has two L's bro. Let it go. Vitali has.

[jimmy1569]

I look at it as Vitali can beat both Byrd & Lewis when healthy. That's closer to the truth than anything else that's conjured up here. To me that's the deciding factor....that;s my bottom line. Both fighters are NOT beating him otherwise in any other fashion than what they did.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I look at it as Vitali can beat both Byrd & Lewis when healthy. That's closer to the truth than anything else that's conjured up here. To me that's the deciding factor....that;s my bottom line. Both fighters are NOT beating him otherwise in any other fashion than what they did.

The deciding factor to me is that he has two losses.