Would Khan of took Berto's power?

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  • studentofthegam
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    #31
    Originally posted by z0jo
    then how did maidana floor and stop ortiz but couldn't do the same to khan?
    As Ive said many times ,I attribute that to Vic being young and straight getting intimidated. It wasnt a chin issue but more of a confidence thing. Khan has a real issue with his equilibrium. Those shots from Berto would have put him out. Argue all you want but we know it.

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      #32
      Originally posted by koolttt
      Trust me if Maidana can land those bombs on Khan, Berto can land some big shots.
      Maidana and Berto are 2 different fighters with 2 different styles, who has Berto stopped that is worth noting? Maidana has stopepd Ortiz and nearly stopped Khan, correct? Maidana hits harder than Berto and has an underrated overhand right. Khan can only improve with the weight jump the fight wouldnt be at 140 it would at 147, Khan comes in possibly stronger and faster than Berto. we have to consider Khans size here, I mean I dont know how much longer he stays at the weight... or if its hurting him ever so slightly to cut to get to 140 in the first place.

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        #33
        Originally posted by studentofthegam
        As Ive said many times ,I attribute that to Vic being young and straight getting intimidated. It wasnt a chin issue but more of a confidence thing. Khan has a real issue with his equilibrium. Those shots from Berto would have put him out. Argue all you want but we know it.
        Maidana would floor neither Khan nor Ortiz at 147. The weight was not a good weight for Ortiz.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Picazo
          Maidana would floor neither Khan nor Ortiz at 147. The weight was not a good weight for Ortiz.
          Yeah Ortiz looks like a physical freak at 147. I'd say he stops Maidana in a rematch. He just idnt fight his fight against Maidana. Khan Im not so sure about. I think he has a tough time with a Maidana at any weight. He will have some down moments against pressure fighters for the rest of his career. At one 147 he wont have as many physical advantages as he's enjoyed at 135 and 140. Ortiz was 161 at the bell. Wow.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
            You massively overrate him, cause to my mind, in his last 2 fights, he's showed me he's not as good as perceived.
            i agree man khan would get his ass koed quick, these guys keep acting like khan has good defense he got hit alot with maidana who just swings wild

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              #36
              Originally posted by studentofthegam
              Yeah Ortiz looks like a physical freak at 147. I'd say he stops Maidana in a rematch. He just idnt fight his fight against Maidana. Khan Im not so sure about. I think he has a tough time with a Maidana at any weight. He will have some down moments against pressure fighters for the rest of his career. At one 147 he wont have as many physical advantages as he's enjoyed at 135 and 140. Ortiz was 161 at the bell. Wow.
              I love Ortiz at this weight, and I think he gives anyone problems.

              Khan I belive has class to win belts at 147 and 154. I think his best weight will also be at 147, his speed, power and punch resistance will increase along with the weight.

              Maidana is on the slide and I dont feel he has the skill to keep up with the rest of the 140 pack. Khan can stop Maidana at 147, no doubt about it.

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                #37
                Berto's power is vastly overrated. He doesn't punch as hard as Maidana. Would Khan take the shot that dropped Ortiz in the 6th? I honestly don't know. While their is a visible divergence within the power of Maidana and Berto the dynamics of their punch deliverance differs. Berto is more explosive, whereas Maidana is more brute. However, Maidana's punches aren't a joke. Maybe Khan's punch resistance gets even better at 147. Who knows.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Picazo
                  Maidana and Berto are 2 different fighters with 2 different styles, who has Berto stopped that is worth noting? Maidana has stopepd Ortiz and nearly stopped Khan, correct? Maidana hits harder than Berto and has an underrated overhand right. Khan can only improve with the weight jump the fight wouldnt be at 140 it would at 147, Khan comes in possibly stronger and faster than Berto. we have to consider Khans size here, I mean I dont know how much longer he stays at the weight... or if its hurting him ever so slightly to cut to get to 140 in the first place.
                  dont agree i think berto has more power on top with accuracy, and you cant judge fighters by past fights, and khan is fast but the question is if he is able to move at the same speed once he moves up in weight would be great to see

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by (ROY)
                    dont agree i think berto has more power on top with accuracy, and you cant judge fighters by past fights, and khan is fast but the question is if he is able to move at the same speed once he moves up in weight would be great to see
                    Wait you cant judge fighter by past fights? Then tell me please how do you judge a fighter? I think what you mean is you cant HATE on a fighter by just watching past fights, but you can assess a fighters strengths and weaknesses by past watching fights... that YOU CAN AND SHOULD DO. Maidana has proved he hits hard you may say Berto hits like a donkey but his past fights dont prove it.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Picazo
                      I love Ortiz at this weight, and I think he gives anyone problems.

                      Khan I belive has class to win belts at 147 and 154. I think his best weight will also be at 147, his speed, power and punch resistance will increase along with the weight.

                      Maidana is on the slide and I dont feel he has the skill to keep up with the rest of the 140 pack. Khan can stop Maidana at 147, no doubt about it.
                      Dont get me wrong Khan is a good fighter. He could win some at 147 but he needs extremely careful match m,aking. I cant see him making an impact like Ortiz right off the bat because at 140 he relies on always having the reach advantage and more times than not the power advantage by a mile. It remains to be seen if he has the ability to adjust when everything isnt in his favor. I think 154 is out of the question though. I simply dont think he can take a 170 pound man leaning on him for 10 or 12 rounds.

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