Watching PR fighters in these last few years,

[BERNIE'S CORNER]

Considering its a thread about how Tito Trinidad overcame hard shots and knockdowns, and how he was the last truly special Puerto Rican fighter,

why would this thread be about other nationalities?



Btw, the thread title is this,

"Watching PR fighters in these last few years".


Again, this thread is about Felix, and his greatness and how those that have tried to follow in his footsteps, don't have that quality in them to be put on the same level as he. If you might be slow, this thread is a comparison about Puerto Rican fighters and how they stack up against Puerto Ricos best fighter ever.

I would have to agree with you comparing PR's recent crop compared to Tito but to say Tito was Pr's best ever is not an opinion shared by all !!!

[TintaBoricua]

and the way they get knocked down, and respond,

shows how truly great a fighter Tito was. It also shows how underrated his chin was. Yes, he got knocked down many times, but rarely, if ever, did you see him actually hurt from those knockdowns. It was as if a knockdown, gave him more power as he went after his opponent with even more ferocity.

I don't see that in rican fighters today. Its like they get hit with a couple of good punches, and they mentally fold and get extra sloppy.

I see what you mean. Yes, Tito was a monster. He also became even more ferocious when he got knocked down.

However, there's one thing I don't agree with in your other post. I don't think Trinidad was an adaptive fighter. I think he just hit so hard that he'd break his opponent's will and body. If he were really good at adjusting, he would've been able to adjust to B-Hop, Wright, and Jones, Jr.

I'm not saying he should've BEATEN them, I'm just pointing out that in all of his losses, he showed no competitiveness. B-Hop boxed him and knocked him out when he was undefeated. That was a monster knockdown, Tito was out. There was no way he was surviving that round.

Wright outjabbed him in a boring fight where Tito barely won a round.

Jones, Jr. was the only fight out of his losses where he showed some competitiveness, but c'mon...Jones, Jr...pffft. He won the first two or three rounds and after that, he couldn't put any more rounds in against Jones, Jr. Even if he did that, they were obscured with those two knockdowns he suffered.

Again, I don't think skill had to do much with his "adapting" to fighters as much as his power and aggressiveness breaking down his opponents.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I see what you mean. Yes, Tito was a monster. He also became even more ferocious when he got knocked down.

However, there's one thing I don't agree with in your other post. I don't think Trinidad was an adaptive fighter. I think he just hit so hard that he'd break his opponent's will and body. If he were really good at adjusting, he would've been able to adjust to B-Hop, Wright, and Jones, Jr.

I'm not saying he should've BEATEN them, I'm just pointing out that in all of his losses, he showed no competitiveness. B-Hop boxed him and knocked him out when he was undefeated. That was a monster knockdown, Tito was out. There was no way he was surviving that round.

Wright outjabbed him in a boring fight where Tito barely won a round.

Jones, Jr. was the only fight out of his losses where he showed some competitiveness, but c'mon...Jones, Jr...pffft. He won the first two or three rounds and after that, he couldn't put any more rounds in against Jones, Jr. Even if he did that, they were obscured with those two knockdowns he suffered.

Again, I don't think skill had to do much with his "adapting" to fighters as much as his power and aggressiveness breaking down his opponents.

I see what you're saying, but I think he adjusted enough to not get tagged over and over and over and over again to where it resulted in a knockout, save for Hopkins. There was literally nothing he could have done that night to change that outcome as Hopkins was just far too superior. Against Winky, there really was no danger of him being knocked out and by the time that fight happened, the blueprint had been laid out on how to beat him. Against Jones, eh, do people even really count that? I mean, lets be real,

we're talking prime here. In that regard, Calderon gets a pass because he was obviously old. But Cotto and Lopez were in their primes. However, now that I think about it, Cotto did come back against Torres to win, but he was still pretty shaky the entire time.

I just feel, thats what made Tito such a great fighter. His ability to overcome a knockdown, without suffering much punishment, and come back to win convincingly.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I would have to agree with you comparing PR's recent crop compared to Tito but to say Tito was Pr's best ever is not an opinion shared by all !!!

Its shared by many though.

[BERNIE'S CORNER]

Its shared by many though.

Don't get me wrong I loved watching Tito and admired his strong will but in my book he'll never compare to Gomez. Just my 2 cents. I don't rely on text polls or fans who where not around back then. I know this does not apply to you.

[TintaBoricua]

Don't get me wrong I loved watching Tito and admired his strong will but in my book he'll never compare to Gomez. Just my 2 cents. I don't rely on text polls or fans who where not around back then. I know this does not apply to you.

My father ALWAYS says the same thing when it comes to PR fighers. He has, and always will, defend Gómez to death.

He always says that if Gómez were alive today (with media technology, 24/7's, Countdown shows, and whatnot), that Gómez a colossal figure in Puerto Rico.

32 straight wins, 32 straight knockouts, 17 straight title defenses, all by knockout...no one in history has had 17 straight title defenses by knockout.

I'm sure he was big back then, but Trinidad was huge as well. Someone with some history needs to get into this discussion when it comes to PR greats.

It's usually a dispute between: Gómez, Benítez, and Trinidad...

[mrpain81]

Juanma just hasn't perfected the "hit the balls when hurt" move.

[BorderPatrol]

Juanma just hasn't perfected the "hit the balls when hurt" move.

He needs to learn from the master himself, Julio Chavez. Julio's bread and butter punch was the low blow. He used it throughout the entire fight whether he was winning or losing.

[BTL]

My father ALWAYS says the same thing when it comes to PR fighers. He has, and always will, defend Gómez to death.

He always says that if Gómez were alive today (with media technology, 24/7's, Countdown shows, and whatnot), that Gómez a colossal figure in Puerto Rico.

32 straight wins, 32 straight knockouts, 17 straight title defenses, all by knockout...no one in history has had 17 straight title defenses by knockout.

I'm sure he was big back then, but Trinidad was huge as well. Someone with some history needs to get into this discussion when it comes to PR greats.

It's usually a dispute between: Gómez, Benítez, and Trinidad...

The 32 wins and 32 by knockout is just crazy.. When I saw that against the Sanchez fight I was like what the ****?.. That's a crazy stat... When I saw Gomez fight I don't see a rican fighter of today.. He seemed tougher.

[ELHURACAN58]

Most rican fighters still have that, but they arent as good as Tito at taking the fight back.

Lets remember the first Segura fight, Calderon after getting dropped the first time, started slugging it out with a dude twice his size, before succumbing.

Juanma Lopez, after getting dropped the first time said come on, lets fight it out and lasted three more rounds before the ref decided it was enough.

Rocky Martinez has a habit of getting up and koing his opponents, Burns didnt knock him down thats why he won that fight.

Most ricans in boxing right now show their heart after getting hurt, but until that happens they stick to their game plan.

Kermit Cintron is the only rican right now that has yet to show his heart in a fight.